BLACK FLAGS of Islam -- Portents of the Imam al-Mahdi
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Posted on 02/04/2009 10:29:26 AM PST by yankeedame
I have a hunch.
ping.
“In that time he will “fill the earth with peace and justice as it will have been filled with injustice and tyranny before then,” the phophecy (sic) says.”
But isn’t it the Muslims who are causing much of the injustice and tyranny?
Where to begin...
Paul didn't understand Jesus?
What?
You typed that with a straight face?
Most of the NT is Pauline and you typed that?
Now who was that heretic who cut out all of Paul's writings?
Let me think....
Further, as Joel makes quite clear, the Bible, both OT and NT is Israel-centric, not Western-centric.
Because of our Western cultural views some try and put Western ideas into prophecy by jumping through allegorical leaps of symbolism.
The Bible is more clear than all the allegorical symbolism.
pardon me, but your arguments are weak, substantiated by more extra-bibilicl literature than Biblical, you use too much allegory to try and put the US into the Bible where the Bible does not mentions the US. You would make a good muslim.
Shalom
oops
me bad
Thousand+ years ago. The al-Mahdi is suppose to be the 12th Imam, coming to the Muslims before the end of the world.
These are some of the characteristics of the awaited one.
http://www.mahdiwatch.org has a lot of information. It is the website where I found the translation of O Ba Ma in Persian = he is with us.
Knew that; I was looking for more depth on the origins, particularly the date of the writings, for which the link helped a bit. As I understand it, Dajjal is Sunni where the 12th Imam is Shiite.
Sunan Abu-Dawud (full name Abu-Dawud Sulaiman bin Al-Aash'ath Al-Azdi as-Sijistani) was born in 202 A.H. and died in 275 A.H.
Given that the Hajj was in 622 AD, that places the recording of these verses somewhere between 844-897 AD. So much for the hunch.
>>So much for the hunch.
Not an unreasonable hunch at all. IMHO, the 1600s version was just a remake of a dramatic production as old as human history itself... and probably older than that.
Got morals and dogma?
Jest like I got the Book of Enoch.
>>Jest like I got the Book of Enoch.
Circa 300BC - 800 years after the formation of the Amphictyonic League.
The Amphictyonic League being the supra-religious organization which controlled and manipulated the various enterprises in the Greek Delphic district.
The prophecies about the Dajjal and the Mahdi are from Muhammad -- they just are not in the Qur'an. They are in the Hadith.
For Muslims, the Qur'an is the words spoken by Allah himself through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad, and the Hadith are the words of Muhammad himself. They were compiled after Muhammad had died from oral stories by family, friends, acquaintances and bystanders -- sometimes hundreds of years after Muhammad's death. There are hundreds of thousands of these anecdotal stories. Some of them are actually quite scandalous; hence Muslim "scholars" have carefully sifted through them and declare them as "reliable," "unreliable," or indetermined. And each scholar has his own list.
The Qur'an talks a lot about the Day of Judgment (Qiyamah), but you have to go to the Hadith to read about the details of the events leading up to the Last Day.
Much of it is plagiarized from Biblical prophecy or Middle East traditions, but all of it gets painted with the brush of Muslim jihadist violence.
End-Time Prophecies in the Hadith
from the Univ. of Southern California / Muslim Students Assoc. Hadith Database
[n.b. a lot of typos]
Hadith Collection of Sahih Muslim
Book 41: The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah)
description of the Major and Minor Signs of Qiyama, including the Dajjal
Hadith Collection of Sahih Bukhari
Book 88: Afflictions and the End of the World
description of the Major and Minor Signs of Qiyama, including the Dajjal
Hadith Collection of Sunan Abu-Dawud
Book 36: The Promised Deliverer (Kitab Al-Mahdi)
description of the Mahdi
Hadith Collection of Sahih Bukhari
Book 30: Virtues of Madinah
tells how the Dajjal cannot enter Medina or Mecca
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