"We Are Embarrassed" (Cardinal O'Malley on the SSPX)

WITL ^ | January 31, 2009 | Rocco Palmo

[topher]

The SSPX is a complex issue.

Twenty paragraphs are necessary to give some insight into what the Archdiocese of Boston and other Dioceses/Archdioceses face with healing the wounds.

Patience, humility and time are needed to get SSPX and the Roman Catholic Church working better together again.

One small example is that SSPX wants Archbishop Lefebre canonized a saint (or would like to promote the effort).

The problem with that is that it was a very willful act of disobiedence on this person's part that caused the schism...

It is just a complex issue...

[annalex]

He is exactly right on the Sound of Music: it is a sugary story of happy airheaded frivolity trumping Catholic virtues of faith and fortitude. It is inoffensive now after we have Disney Film rolling teenager softporn stories by the dozen, but at the root of it is cheap self-centered romanticism pioneered by movies like the Sound of Music.

[rmlew]

?Rhw 300,000 figure is Holocaust denial. It is an attempt to say that there was no attempted genocide.
Stop excusing scum just because you agree with some of their criticisms of church liberalism. You do yourself and your cause harm.

[Clemenza]

I haven't heard outrage about the 47% of CHURCHGOING Cat'licks (including many in my family) who voted for Obama.

Gotta love those solidly conservative Catholic states like Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, and New Jersey! ;-)

Please, tend your own garden before you start casting aspersions.

[Hieronymus]

I comment so little on Free Republic that I doubt that I have much of a cause to harm.
I would say that Bishop Williamson is an extremely frank man who does not always know when it would be prudent to be silent either because he may be in over his head or because he is going to do more harm than good. These are traits virtually never seen in a Bishop—for reasons that Bishop Williamson makes obvious, if one follows him in detail—his views depart from the societal norm not only with regards to the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust and the value of the Sound of Music, but in a great many other areas. He is on the record for so many strange things that if he held that Hitler was not attempting genocide, I expect that he would be on the record for that as well. If he is on the record that there is no genocide, bringing a relevant quotation forward would be more useful than calling him scum.

[ALPAPilot]

There’s been considerable outrage lately about so called liberal catholics voting for democrats. Nancy Pelosi was taken to task by numerous bishops for her idiocy.

I usually tell people if they can be a pro-choice catholic, I can be a meat eating vegetarian.

I’m not casting aspersions on any one. I’m just defending Pope Benedict from the onslaught of idiocy in the media and other liberal circles.

[topher]

Maria von Trapp was in the movie as an extra...

[topher]

I will not doubt what you are saying about other rites continuing their rites for two hundred years.

But the folks who went to India may have not had a clear understanding of all the rules of the Tridentine Rite.

It was a Papal delegation or a Vatican delegation with Apostolic Annunico. Probably just some Portuguese priests trying to re-unite Catholics who have not been in contact almost since the first century.

Think of the communication problems we have in the 20th and 21st centuries, and we have all sorts of technology to aid us.

For communication in those times, it took months for news of things to reach one end of Europe to the other.

Let alone correct news going from India to Portugal to the Vatican.

[topher]

It is my mistake that the Tridentine Rite was not in existence yet when the Portuguese came into contact with the Saint Thomas Christians of Kerelya.

Council of Trent took place in 1563.

The arrival of the Portuguese was in 1498 -- a few years after Columbus discovered America -- the West Indies, other parts of America -- on his four voyages of discovery.

A good (and much more accurate link) on the Saint Thomas Christians and the contact with the West in 1498 is the following:

Profiles of the Eastern churches: The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church (by Michael J.L. La Civita)

This is an article by:

CNEWA -- A Papal Agency for Humanitarian and Pastoral support.

This article explains the "POLITICS" of what happened...