Anti-Mormon: The Mormon N-Word (Open)

Mormonism Research Ministry ^ | Bill McKeever

[mamelukesabre]

beat ya by just under 2 minutes.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Tell that to the religion moderator some how he thinks it is just someone who has an ax to grind!

Somehow the moderator thinks its ok for Mormons to be "jack-chicked" daily. I'm not a mormon but its obvious daily attacks on them are tolerated and seemingly even welcomed. Me thinks the moderator has an axe to grind. But that's just me.

[restornu]

Hi II

When the LDS show a little out of character the nemesis are the first to call us on it, while they 24/7 pound on the LDS and the Church.

The LDS have to strive to keep the natural man in check as those who profess to be Christian do everything that is contrary as to how to treat your fellow man.

At no time did Jesus teach to bash those you disagree with, but in their mind this is how they justify their behavior.

I love the “clean hand theory” of course no one is perfect but some here get away with their ugly ness because the mods paints all with this broad brush!

There have been many observers who have posted on the open RF to mods how one sided this seems which seems to fall on death ears!

anyways thank for your support II!

[Between the Lines]

I seem to remember that the Southern Baptists are a church FOUNDED to DEFEND white supremacy and Negro Slavery.

You may be old, but not old enough to remember back when the SBC was founded. And if you are that old you memory is failing you.

[Grig]

First, the Danites were not formed by Joseph Smith nor at the command or with the consent of Joseph or the Church. Second, they were soon disbanded and their leader and founder excommunicated. You are buying into a lot of fiction created only to rile people up and sell books.

While you are in the process of asking questions though, have you considered asking why God told the children of Israel to form an army to rid their land of Canaanites rather then send a few legions of angles to do it for them? Does that lead you to question the prophetic call of Moses or Joshua?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Maybe this is why they had to take the land.

Exd 23:28 And I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite, from before thee.

Exd 23:29 I will not drive them out from before thee in one year; lest the land become desolate, and the beast of the field multiply against thee.

Exd 23:30 By little and little I will drive them out from before thee, until thou be increased, and inherit the land.

And then this happened....

Num 13:32 And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, [is] a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it [are] men of a great stature.

Num 14:4 And they said one to another, Let us make a captain, and let us return into Egypt.

Num 14:8 If the LORD delight in us, then he will bring us into this land, and give it us; a land which floweth with milk and honey.

Num 14:9 Only rebel not ye against the LORD, neither fear ye the people of the land; for they [are] bread for us: their defence is departed from them, and the LORD [is] with us: fear them not.

Num 14:10 But all the congregation bade stone them with stones.....

Then 40 years later...

Num 32:7 And wherefore discourage ye the heart of the children of Israel from going over into the land which the LORD hath given them?

Num 32:8 Thus did your fathers, when I sent them from Kadeshbarnea to see the land.

Num 32:9 For when they went up unto the valley of Eshcol, and saw the land, they discouraged the heart of the children of Israel, that they should not go into the land which the LORD had given them.

Num 32:15 For if ye turn away from after him, he will yet again leave them in the wilderness; and ye shall destroy all this people.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

****At no time did Jesus teach to bash those you disagree with, but in their mind this is how they justify their behavior.***

But Jesus did say this...Did he use sweet words?

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

[Grig]

And none of that changes the fact that God commanded the armies of Israel to go to battle many times rather than sending legions of angels to fight in their place. God usually expects us to do what we can and then works through those with the faith to take action. He does not want us continually looking to him to provide what we are perfectly capable of accomplishing ourselves.

[restornu]

I wish the RM were consistant either some here can be considered scribes and Sadusees, Pharisees, hypocrites and Sons of Perdition, devils, demons or NOT!

I don’t think anyone here should demonized another faith that just because each disagree with doctrine.

Now here are those things unless they are evil and only the Lord knows our hearts and minds.

I don’t beleive any conservative endorese the WCC which is a United Nation mind set type of people.

When Jesus spoke to certain types of groups he being the Son of God was able to read the hearts and minds of those who challenge him.

Jesus told those who follow Him, To Love One Another and also to love their enemies.

So many here have put the LDS in a position where the way many have treated the LDS have become the LDS nemesis!

In general none here on FR fit those “Woe unto you” just because some doctrine seem picular to others.

Our Jewish brethern Believe in the same God but not His Son the Christians beleive in God the Father, and His first born and Only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

Some believe in the 3 in one substance and others see the Father, Son and Holy Ghost in a literal sense as 3 personage.

All agree on the Ten Commandments but understand some portion of the doctrine differently, free will vs predestination, faith vs faith and works.

Jesus counsel to build, magneify and uplift one anothe not to fault find and tear down.

[Celtman]

So, in your opinion, what should we call you folks who misrepresent our beliefs?

Well, I don't know - but why do you feel a need to name call?

BTW - in what way did Zakeet misrepresent your beliefs?

[Elsie]

But that's just me.

Hey!

Long time no see in these threads!

Must be time to get a flame war, so this thread can get pulled!

[Elsie]

 

I don’t think anyone here should demonized another faith that just because each disagree with doctrine.

 

Yeah...Doncha just HATE when that happens!!!??

 

 

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http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

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Jesus counsel to build, magneify and uplift one anothe not to fault find and tear down.

(Must be a NEW LDS revelation...)

[AppyPappy]

Here’s my opinion. If your denomination attacks its critics for “hate”, you need to find another church. There is probably a very good reason for your church to be coming under criticism.

I am a Methodist. We have started coming under fire for the leftist policies of the “professional Methodists”. We deserve that fire. We should be criticized. As a matter of fact, much of that fire comes from within the UMC.

That’s the way it should be.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Must be time to get a flame war, so this thread can get pulled!

Oh please. Don't pull the thread. How else could anyone watch your antics? I just mildly goin' Howard on ya..."tellin' it like it is" :-)

[greyfoxx39]

First, the Danites were not formed by Joseph Smith nor at the command or with the consent of Joseph or the Church. Second, they were soon disbanded and their leader and founder excommunicated.

 

 

COMPREHENSIVE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH

The testimony which was most effective in holding these men to investigation before grand juries was the sworn statements of apostates--Dr. Sampson Avard, John Corrill, Reed Peck, W. W. Phelps, George M. Hinkle, John Whitmer, Burr Riggs, and other less prominent. It is in this testimony and principally in the statement of Dr. Avard, that the existence of the "Danites" in the "Mormon" church is affirmed. Avard declared that about four months before the date of his testimony,--which would be in the month of July, 1838--"a band called the `Daughter of Zion' (afterwards called the `Danite Band'), was formed of the members of the Mormon church, the original object of which was to drive from the county of Caldwell all those who dissented from the Mormon church; in which they succeeded admirably and to the satisfaction of all concerned." [B. H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol.1, Ch.36, p.501].

 

 

DR. SAMSON AVARD

DANITE LEADER TESTIMONY

Sampson Avard, a witness, produced, sworn, and examined, in behalf of the state, deposeth and saith:--

That about four months since, a band called the Daughters of Zion, (since called the Danite band,) was formed of the members of the Mormon church, the original object of which was to drive from the county of Caldwell all those who dissented from the Mormon church; in which they succeeded admirably, and to the satisfaction of all concerned. I consider Joseph Smith, jr., as the prime mover and organizer of this band.

The officers of the band, according to their grades, were brought before him, at a school house, together with Hiram Smith and Sidney Rigdon; the three composing the first presidency of the whole church.

It was stated by Joseph Smith, jr., that it was necessary this band should be bound together by a covenant, that those who revealed the secrets of the society should be put to death.

COVENANT TAKEN BY DANITES

The covenant taken by all the Danite band was as follows, to wit: They declared, holding up their right hand, "In the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, I do solemnly obligate myself ever to conceal and never to reveal the secret purposes of this society, called the Daughters of Zion. Should I ever do the same, I hold my life as the forfeiture."

The prophet Joseph Smith, jr., together with his two counsellors, (Hiram Smith and Sidney Rigdon,) were considered as the supreme head of the church; and the Danite band feel themselves as much bound to obey them as to obey the Supreme God.

Instruction was given by Joseph Smith, jr., that if any of them should get into difficulty, the rest should help him out; and that they should stand by each other, right or wrong.

This instruction was given at a Danite meeting, in a public address.

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[greyfoxx39]

Resty, in giving the RM marching orders.....some here can be considered scribes and Sadusees, Pharisees, hypocrites and Sons of Perdition, devils, demons or NOT!

AND THEN...SHE SAYS......Jesus counsel to build, magneify and uplift one anothe not to fault find and tear down.

Cognitive_dissonance "is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously."

Or, it can be explained by having two sides of the mouth to speak from.

[restornu]

Is this all you have that Lord was not pleased with the mainstream religions if so take it up with God not Joseph he was only the messenger.

[restornu]

Resty, in giving the RM marching orders.....

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That’s was how you try to spin it spoonful of sugar...

this kind of stuff was at one time not allowed to call another SOP or vipers or demons etc.

Also it is non productive in the conservative mission.

There is a different in saying one “IS” (SOP or vipers or demons) over one who ACTS like (SOP or vipers or demons)!

The LDS knows when engaging in the “tit for tat” than one is not adhearing to the Lord’s counsel.

If I remind the poster or the poster reminds me what is being said is not accurate or nice.

Is it not childish if either were to try to turn the words back on the poster, because the one doing the unkindness their pride could not receive it?

Does one truly think Jesus would appreciate that behavior.

Lot of what is being posted on RF is one side is trying to push the other sides button, which in is itself a very unChristian thing to do. (some will have the urge to turn these words)

I have confidents that Jesus will rid of those things in His kingdom that should not be there.

as children of God are we not to build up His kingdom and suuport one another where ever we are at in the scheme of things?

Man has a lot of worldly baggage and when they let the Lord teach them they learn how to dispose of things that is not of the Lord in their inventory.

Since I converted in 1982 I realized how much I have grown over the years that thoughts and ideas once held faded away and the Lord lifted the vail and I understand a better way.

as far as I am concern doctrine of the Lord never change but how man understands it does.

In other words doctrine is inmoveable that is not to say their is not grace and mercy, but that is according to intent and only the Lord can read the hearts and minds of another.

But man who is a work in progress will if with real intent will wax strong in the ways of the Lord, aquire more of the eyes of heaven understanding, instead of the eyes of the world.

[Monkey Face]

*whew*
By the time I got through with all the excerpts, quotes and recalled speeches, I forgot what the thread was about. ;o]

I dunno, resty...all that clutter seems to take away from individualism. I mean, I have a testimony of Jesus Christ, but I don’t need quotes to back it up. If I can’t be understood with my own words, I’m in pretty poor shape, don’t you think?

[Religion Moderator]

This thread has turned into the (approx) quarterly "bash the Religion Moderator" thread.

And as usual, the basic complaint is that one particular belief is being unfairly singled out on "open" threads, picked on by the "antis" or "exes." That I am therefore biased.

That the particular belief group which is doing the complaining changes each time stands as evidence that I am even-handed. I have been accused of being Mormon, anti-Mormon, Catholic, anti-Catholic, Protestant, anti-Protestant, etc.

Listen up.

There are many thread types on the Religion Forum so that thin skinned posters can find safe harbor to share or discuss their beliefs without heated debate: prayer, devotional, caucus, ecumenical.

Thin skinned posters are like moths to a flame when it comes to "open" threads. They injure themselves.

Again I say. If you are thin-skinned, ignore the "open" threads. Don't read them, don't post on them. As Truman said, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Now to any poster who actually wants to behave like a Christian on the Religion Forum - I recommend reading the Sermon on the Mount once again, especially the Beatitudes.