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To: MarkBsnr
The statement was “God brings about all human decisions, even sinful ones”

The scriptures posted as part of the proof were:

“Then of course there is John 19:10-11, where Jesus says to Pilot, “Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.”

Act 4:27-28 “For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.”

Specifically, Pilot was an active participant in the killing of Jesus according to the determinate plan of God.

Jhn 19:16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led [him] away.

Mar 15:15 And [so] Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged [him], to be crucified.

Whether he condemned Jesus for a crime is beside the point; he knowingly condemned an innocent man to death by turning him over to his Roman troops to be crucified as demanded by the Jewish mob. All according to god's plan.

236 posted on 02/02/2009 7:26:20 PM PST by enat
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To: enat

***The statement was “God brings about all human decisions, even sinful ones”
The scriptures posted as part of the proof were:

“Then of course there is John 19:10-11, where Jesus says to Pilot, “Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.”

Act 4:27-28 “For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.”

Specifically, Pilot was an active participant in the killing of Jesus according to the determinate plan of God.***

My point is that Pilate refused to make a decision and therefore defaulted to the Jewish authorities. Pilate did not condemn, as Luke indicates.

***Whether he condemned Jesus for a crime is beside the point; he knowingly condemned an innocent man to death by turning him over to his Roman troops to be crucified as demanded by the Jewish mob. All according to god’s plan.***

Which god? I normally capitalize the Christian God. Are you referring to another god such as the Reformed one?


246 posted on 02/03/2009 4:45:56 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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