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To: jilliane
Jilliane,

What changed was the "pastoral counseling" that the leaders in the Church inflicted on the faithful, not the Doctrines. As you probably have seen, many left the Church after wards because it was no longer recognizable as it was previously. "Why" was always the question I had during the entire time I went through the RCIA 10 years ago. I never got a straight answer out of them.

You bring up an excellent point. Vatican II is completely contradictory to what was established infallibly in Vatican I, the Council of Trent, the Council of Florence, and the Council of Constantine. Nothing was pronounced infallibly as doctrine in Vatican II, Paul VI made this clear.

Yet, the result was a rampant overtake by liberalism, communism, and yes, freemasonry (A. Bugnini, the "author" of the novus ordo liturgy, was found to have freemasonry ties by Paul VI, and was dealt with accordingly.) Many Bishops spoke out in protest, but they were the in the minority. The damage, however was done, as Paul VI himself acknowledged, "The Smoke of Satan has entererd the Sanctuary."

All I can say, and wish for you, Jilliane, is do your reading. Pray your Rosary daily. Read everything you can about how the history of the Church evolved. Including past councils, what was pronounced, the heresies (the Aryan heresies lasted for 400 years!), and what has transpired. Truth never changes, not from day 1 after Christ established our Church. When we have priests, bishops, ect...today preach what is directly contradictory to what was always held as Truth as established by Christ's established Church on earth, then what have we?

May God bless you and keep you.

53 posted on 01/13/2009 9:19:38 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism"....Mel Gibson)
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To: kstewskis

Really excellent reading and intelligent points. I also appreciate your courtesy and respectful tone.

In the “pastoral counseling”...the church was forced to later retract statments by those we were taught it was a mortal sin to question. Touch the host to the teeth and forever be damned. How many holy, good people lived and died in agony because the host touched their teeth?

Speaking of pastoral counseling, how about my letter in my desk drawer from our bishop telling me that it is ok to vote for pro-abortion candidates as long as the candidate does not make it a political platform?

Hatred of gay people attending this Priest’s catholic church- “The inter-relation between justice and grace also becomes clear: the way we live our lives is not immaterial, but our defilement does not stain us for ever if we have at least continued to reach out towards Christ, towards truth and towards love” - Pope Benedict TO THE BISHOPS
PRIESTS AND DEACONS MEN AND WOMEN RELIGIOUS AND ALL THE LAY FAITHFUL ON CHRISTIAN HOPE


68 posted on 01/13/2009 10:22:28 AM PST by jilliane
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