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St Mary's priest will take his flock with him (renegade priest to break with Rome)
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| January 9, 2009
| Trent Dalton
Posted on 01/13/2009 6:50:29 AM PST by NYer
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To: trisham
Makesh perfec shenshe. Fthank you. Here have a drink. I'm working on the green bottle now. Lemme at them Gileadites.
SHibboleth, you shuckerzh! Take tha'!
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:18:46 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
I knew you’d understand. :)
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:20:19 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
Maybe we both should be JUST a little worried about ourselves.
Nah, I still have a couple of bottles. I'll worry tomorrow.
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:25:18 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
Always put off til tomorrow what you can bear to face today. That’s my motto. :)
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:27:09 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: Mad Dawg
Just make sure you cover the principle of subsidiarity — if it makes sense as you subside at the bottom of a bottle of Mogen David, it’s probably not a good idea . . . .
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:30:16 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
To: AnAmericanMother; trisham
Shubshidiariddy?
Yeah, well Hish Holinesh also said Sholidariddy in Shenteshimush Annush.
Shibboleth ish what I shay! The fthree eshes!
Actually I got this assignment because I mentioned to the DRE that I knew ZIP about Catholic Social Doctrine. Pretty cool, huh? Now I'm out buying those little copies of the relevant encyclicals so I can scribble in 'em. I'm about halfway through Centessimus, and I read Rerum Novarum. Trying to load data into my subconscious so I can think about it for a week or so before I start writing.
The Mogen David helps immeasurably.
So now I'm going to take my ancient copy of Documents from Vat II in one hand and the last bottle of Mad Dog in the other ....
See you guys later.
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:36:13 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
That should read “what you *can’t* bear to face today”.
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:36:58 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: Mad Dawg
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:38:11 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: AnAmericanMother; trisham; jilliane
Hey! Where'd Zhilliane go? I offered her a shwig, din I?
(Entering the weepy stage, after failing to find any Gileadites to tussle with.)
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:38:44 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Mad Dawg
"We are poor little lambs who have gone astray,
Baaaa! Baaaa! Baaaaa! < hic >
We are little black sheep who have lost our way,
Baaaa! Baaaa! Baaaaa!"
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:42:07 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
To: Mad Dawg
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:42:14 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: AnAmericanMother; Mad Dawg
All right, you two! :)
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:50:34 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
Gonna need something stronger than coffee around here . . . < g >
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:53:38 AM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
To: AnAmericanMother
It’s been quite a thread.
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posted on
01/15/2009 11:58:01 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
Well, I hope we actually did some good besides having some fun . . .
. . . a lot of folks call themselves Catholic and have no idea what they're saying. Or, even worse, they do.
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posted on
01/15/2009 12:16:04 PM PST
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
To: AnAmericanMother
Yes, and sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
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posted on
01/15/2009 12:20:33 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: Mad Dawg
Thanks for repeating it with conviction.
You are saying that "carefully derived opinions" (eye of the beholder) can weigh into it and you condone that those carefully derived opinions can be placed ahead of the Church's anti-abortion position...as long as those reasons meet your approval I guess.
Voting for pro choice candidates for "other" reasons gives consent of pro choice, affirmatively or otherwise, and is a liberal argument. Some feel the Iraq war meets your test of "doing something worse" than abortion. Some think not having universal health care is worse. You get the idea. It's not about the individual's carefully derived opinions.
To: Miss Marple
Awwww, sometimes I’m not so bad! You are welcome.
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posted on
01/15/2009 1:22:56 PM PST
by
BlackElk
(Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
To: jilliane; AnAmericanMother; trisham
Voting for pro choice candidates for "other" reasons gives consent of pro choice, affirmatively or otherwise, and is a liberal argument. You are saying that
IF
Candidate A says he will nuke every church and place of worship of whatever denomination or creed in the Western hemisphere, reducing most of the hemisphere to radioactive glass and killing hundreds of millions of born and unborn people
AND
Candidate B says he will pass laws enabling others to procure abortions, but otherwise will be indistinguishable from Ronald Reagan,
AND
Candidate A looks like he has a chance at winning,
THEN
It is a sin to vote for candidate B.
I say in such a case staying home would be going against the Church's teaching on protecting innocent life in a manner worse than voting for someone who would allow (not even require, merely allow) abortion.
The core of your objection and of your dissonance with the teaching of the Church is revealed in you "eye of the beholder" remark.
I think the questions of the morality of the Iraq War (as moral as some and far more moral than many) and universal health care (will impoverish the nation and draw down the quality of health care and lead to otherwise preventable deaths, thus immoral) can be determined. That some people will err in these questions and will err in general in their use of reason in no way implies that the questions are a matter of individual choice or that in formed reason, carefully applied is an essential element of conscience.
There are situations in which the virtue of prudence requires the acceptance of moral evil in order to prevent a greater moral evil.
Further, when I voted for McLame, I did not, in that act, say anything more than that I thought he would be not as bad for the country as the All-Compassionate Messiah. I did not condone his restrictions on Free political speech or his waffling on immigration. I merely said, "Of the two disasters, I think he is the lesser." The ability to use reason is what orders our concupiscent and irascible desires, and reason's offering and subjecting itself to the Divine Wisdom is an operation of grace. The eradication of reason and of the cardinal virtues is not required of Christians.
On the contrary, we are to seek God's grace and cooperate with His correcting and guiding our use of reason.
Abortion is a very grave evil. It is not the worst evil and certainly not the only grave evil. Where the rubber meets the road, hard choices must be made by responsible Catholic citizens.
Fortunately, this past election was not one that was all that difficult.
Let me get this straight: You think that blessing homosexual couples is okay or in general advocating the breaking or and contempt for Church teaching and law is fine, but voting for the lesser of two evils is always bad?
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posted on
01/15/2009 1:31:59 PM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: trisham
Thank you. My head hurts. Where’s the Alka Selzer?
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posted on
01/15/2009 1:34:48 PM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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