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To: LeonardFMason

It is evident that some Catholics are ignorant of the meaning of worship in the Bible. The word that gets translated into the English word “worship” is the word “shachah” which means quite simply...

“to bow down, prostrate oneself as before a superior in homage.”

Catholics do indeed do that physically and spiritually to Mary and to man-made images of Mary.

You will get all kinds of word dances to attempt to appease their mind that they aren’t in violation of Scripture, and they will support that with writtings that came after Scripture, but you are wise to adhere to Scripture.


25 posted on 12/31/2008 2:34:37 AM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc; LeonardFMason
“to bow down, prostrate oneself as before a superior in homage.”

Could you please explain what is evil about that?

Here is the definition of HOMAGE from Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary:

HOMAGE a reverential regard : RESPECT, DEFERENCE (the homage that matter pays to spirit— Clive Bell); especially : respect shown by external action : OBEISANCE (then the homage of T peers; and again the air was lively with the trumpets and drums— Hector Bolitho) see HONOR

A serviceman does no less when he salutes an officer.

 

After all we see it done in Scripture:

Deut. 5:9 - God's command, "you shall not bow down to them" means "do not worship them." But not all bowing is worship. Here God's command is connected to false worship.

Rev. 3:9 - Jesus said people would bow down before the faithful members of the church of Philadelphia. This bowing before the faithful is not worship, just as kissing a picture of a family member is not worship.

Gen. 19:1 - Lot bowed down to the ground in veneration before two angels in Sodom.

Gen. 24:52 - Abraham's servant bowed himself to the earth before the Lord.

Gen. 42:6 - Joseph's brothers bow before Joseph with the face to the ground.

Jos. 5:14 - Joshua fell to the ground prostrate in veneration before an angel.

1 Sam. 28:14 - Saul bows down before Samuel with his face to the ground in honor and veneration.

1 Kings 1:23 - the prophet Nathan bows down before King David.

2 Kings 2:15 - the sons of the prophets bow down to Elisha at Jericho.

1 Chron. 21:21 - Ornan the Jebusite did obeisance to king David with his face to the ground.

1 Chron. 29:20 - Israelites bowed down to worship God and give honor to the king.

2 Chron. 29:29-30 - King Hezekiah and the assembly venerate the altar by bowing down in worship before the sin offerings.

Tobit 12:16 - Tobiah and Tobit fell down to the ground in veneration before the angel Raphael.

Judith 14:7 - Achior the Ammonite kneels before Judith venerating her and praising God.

Psalm 138:2 - David bows down before God's Holy Temple.

Dan. 2:46 - the king fell down on his face paying homage to Daniel and commands that an offering be made to him.

Dan. 8:17 - Daniel fell down prostrate in veneration before the angel Gabriel.

1 Macc. 4:40,55 - Judas and the faithful fell face down to the ground to praise heaven and worship God.

2 Macc. 10:4,26; 13:12 - Maccabeus and his followers fall down prostrate praying to God.

From Scripture Catholic

27 posted on 12/31/2008 3:57:37 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: ScubieNuc

The only thing evident here is the bitter recriminations of one for whom “grace” is a dim recollection.


30 posted on 12/31/2008 4:17:34 AM PST by papertyger
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To: ScubieNuc

It is quite evident that you are ignorant of both Scripture and Catholicism.


61 posted on 12/31/2008 7:33:59 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: ScubieNuc; LeonardFMason
The word that gets translated into the English word “worship” is the word “shachah” which means quite simply...

“to bow down, prostrate oneself as before a superior in homage.”

We don't go by dictionaries, we go by intended meaning. If we went all the time by the dictionary, we would discover that "trinity" simply means "triplet" (of anything -- fork, knife and spoon are a trinity); resurrection simply means "to rise again" (dollar fell against the euro, then resurrected), "god" is any deity real or imaginary, etc.

The intent of the prohibition of worship other gods was not to prohibit bowing down as expression of respect, as many examples of the scripture show. It was to prohibit polytheism, and worship of Baal specifically.

Catholics worship God by offering the sacrifice of the Mass to God. If we worshipped Mary, we'd offer Mass to Mary, which we don't do. Protestants, by the way, don't worship in the same sense anyone -- this is why you are not, techically speaking, even a church.

72 posted on 12/31/2008 11:51:21 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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