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To: Iscool
Jesus then said, Eat, this is my body which is BROKEN FOR YOU...

The broken bread represents Jesus' broken body

He didn't say "this represents my body," he said, "this is my body". "Touto estin soma mou" ... "this is the body of me".

That is how everyone understood it for 1500 years, until Zwingli decided to edit the words of the Lord and change them to accord with his -- Zwingli's -- teaching. When you claim that Jesus meant "this represents my body," you're repeating Zwingli's "improvement" on the words of Scripture. It isn't the Word of God anymore, but the word of Zwingli.

Even Martin Luther knew this was wrong. He was so angry when he discussed it with Zwingli that he carved "Hoc est enim corpus meum" (the Latin equivalent of "Touto estin soma mou") into the table with a knife.

You do it for a show...

Maybe you do. I certainly don't.

Incidentally, the "ordinary loaf" of bread which Jesus took was a kosher-for-Passover matzoh, not an ordinary loaf of bread at all.

86 posted on 01/02/2009 1:20:16 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion
Jesus then said, Eat, this is my body which is BROKEN FOR YOU...

The broken bread represents Jesus' broken body

He didn't say "this represents my body," he said, "this is my body". "Touto estin soma mou" ... "this is the body of me".

Did Jesus say, 'I'm turning this bread into my flesh'??? Nope...You figure the apostles looked at that bread and said, hmmmm, it was bread a second ago, but now it's flesh...But it still looks like bread...

But they took Jesus' word for it that it was flesh...

And every time one of them picked up a piece of bread, it turned into the flesh of Jesus...And every time one of them got thirsty and pick up a cup of wine, it turned into the blood of Jesus...

Jesus never told anyone to say anything or do any thing...Never gave any prayer or formula...Just whenever you eat bread, it's my body...

Jesus said, This is my body which is broken for you...And His body wasn't yet broken...So what's that mean???

They weren't just eating Jesus' body...They were eating his broken body...Jesus did NOT say This is my body which WILL be broken for you...So the emphasis is on the broken...For broken body...

The apostles knew they were eating bread...Can't figure out how you don't know it...

That is how everyone understood it for 1500 years, until Zwingli decided to edit the words of the Lord and change them to accord with his -- Zwingli's -- teaching. When you claim that Jesus meant "this represents my body," you're repeating Zwingli's "improvement" on the words of Scripture. It isn't the Word of God anymore, but the word of Zwingli.

Never read anything by Zwingli...But I read the Greek word used for 'body'...

G4983
σῶμα
sōma
so'-mah
From G4982; the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively: - bodily, body, slave.

Body can be used literally or figuratively...So your argument is far from being cut and dried...

You do it for a show...

Maybe you do. I certainly don't.

Why not??? That's what God says to do...

87 posted on 01/02/2009 2:36:07 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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