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To: tpanther
tpanther, I find nothing in the remarks of the three guys you quoted that cuts against my general position. I readily admit that we don't yet understand the origin of life; many people are working on that problem. As for the specific quotes you adduce...

The first guys ends with this remark: "For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area." Since we don't yet understand the origin of life, this statement is only interesting as an anecdotal characterization of the state of mind of the writer. And note the word "current"—who knows what the future will bring in the way of evidence and experiment and theoretical context?

The second guy is a mathematician, so it's not very surprising that he's much more ready to throw in the towel on an evolutionary understanding of the origin of life than somebody who actually works in the field.

The third guy ends with this: "Clearly the origin of life – the foundation of evolution - is still virtually all speculation, and little if no fact." Yes, that's correct. So what? It's a problem still being worked on!

Best regards and Happy New Year!

s_w_b

65 posted on 12/28/2008 8:49:10 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
"—who knows what the future will bring in the way of evidence and experiment and theoretical context?

When I say this abgout ID, I don't get a free pass, so why is it you think evolution should?

If scientists themselves are beginning to doubt after so many hundred+ years...(or billions upon billions of years, depending on your place in the argument) how long is it we allow further research without a decent honest challenge with alternatives?And for Pete's sakes, what prevents this from being done alongside evolution?

In other words, explain to me why you see harm in telling kids that several scientists are interested in an alternative theory called intelligent design...or for that matter, why do you think kids are freely exposed to multiverse theory, without their parents being sued?

The third guy ends with this: "Clearly the origin of life – the foundation of evolution - is still virtually all speculation, and little if no fact." Yes, that's correct. So what? It's a problem still being worked on!

So what? Ummm look around these threads, indeed look around the world all around you!

The evidence is all around!

What other theory, when challenged is always met with "that's religion and isn't allowed in science".

A group of concerned parents in my home state of Georgia placed a sticker on a science text, reminding the students that evolution theory is indeed theory AND NOT FACT..."that's what".

I'm more convinced than ever the theory of evolution is so often treated as fact, with no room for ANY dissent, that it's become a cult, neither fact OR theory these days.

Best regards and Happy New Year!

And to you!

66 posted on 12/28/2008 9:58:55 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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