Posted on 12/21/2008 5:22:47 PM PST by ROTB
Edited on 12/21/2008 9:23:40 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Merry Christmas!
Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. In the days of the Kingdom of Israel, when David and Solomon reigned, a king who was named by God would have oil poured over their heads prior to ruling. This is called "Anointing". The Hebrew form of this word is “Mashiach” which is anglo-ized into "Messiah".
"Jesus" is the Greek form of "Je-ho-shua" which means "Savior of God".
Thus "Jesus Christ" means "Anointed Savior of God".
The whole premise of Judaism, is that God gave the Law, the Torah, to the Jewish people at Mount Sinai about 3000 years ago as a model of justice and for forgiveness of sins, and that a Messiah has been promised by God, and Jewish people wait for the fulfillment of this promise.
We know that the Bible, is the Word of God, because only it says what happens, thousands of years before it happens. To see the evidence for this, please visit http://www.direct.ca/trinity/y3nf.html. This is not Gematria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria), or Kabbalah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah). It is hard numbers, verifiable evidence for God being the author of the Tanakh. People and Devils can't do this. Only God can. He even boasts that only he can, and I have only seen this kind of evidence in the Bible. If Islam had this kind of evidence, the Muslims would shout it “from the rooftops”.
So what does the Word of God say about us? It says that we sin. All of the following verses are from the a Jewish Tanakh ...
And the Lord smelled the pleasing odor; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing, as I have done. Genesis 8:21 Soncino Tanakh
If they sin against you, for there is no man who does not sin, and you are angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives to a land far or near; II Chronicles 6:36 Soncino Tanakh
If they sin against you, for there is no man who does not sin, and you are angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captive to the land of the enemy, far or near; 1 Kings 8:21 Soncino Tanakh
The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any who understand, and seek God. They have all gone astray, they have all become corrupted; there is none that does good, no, not one. Psalms 14:2-3 Soncino Tanakh
God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any who understand, who seek God. They have all fallen away; they have all become filthy; there is no one who does good, not even one. Psalms 53:3-4 Soncino Tanakh
If you, Lord, should mark iniquities, O Lord, who could stand? But there is forgiveness with you, that you may be feared. Psalms 130:3 Soncino Tanakh
Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? Proverbs 20:9 Soncino Tanakh
You struck down him who rejoiced and worked righteousness, who remembered you in your ways; behold, you are angry; for we have sinned; in those ways we have been always; how then shall we be saved? But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteous actions are as filthy rags; and we all fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. And there is none who calls upon your name, who stirs up himself to take hold of you; for you have hidden your face from us, and have consumed us, because of our iniquities. Isaiah 64:4-6 Soncino Tanakh
For there is not a just man upon earth, that does good, and does not sin. Ecclesiastes 7:20 Soncino Tanakh
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Ecclesiastes 8:11 Soncino Tanakh
This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event to all; also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead. Ecclesiastes 9:3 Soncino Tanakh
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? Jeremiah 17:9 Soncino Tanakh
The good man has perished from the earth; and there is no one upright among men; they all lie in wait for blood; each man hunts his brother with a net. The hands are upon that which is evil, the prince asks, and the judge asks for payment; and the great man utters the evil desire of his soul; thus they weave the web. Soncino Tanakh Micah 7:2-3
How does God forgive sins? He is very clear ...
For the life of the flesh [is] in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the blood [that] maketh an atonement for the soul. Leviticus 17:11
Blood must be shed for forgiveness of sin. That's God talking in the above excerpt. Not a Rabbi, not a Christian, and certainly not me.
By now, you should be afraid of death. Nobody is without sin, and nobody is exempted from needing blood for atonement of their souls. Rabbis aren't God, so you should not believe them.
The Tanakh of Judaism gives over 300 hints at what the coming of the messiah would involve and entail. You can read them for yourself at http://messiahrevealed.org/category-index.html.
One of the most compelling is this verse from Isaiah ...
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6 Soncino Tanakh
Is not that comforting? Despite the fact we are sinners, God has laid our sins, on this person!
No where in the Tanakh does it say “the Messiah can't come twice”, or “The Messiah must accomplish all in one visit”. Unlike your Rabbi, I have gone through the Tanakh at least four times, and have yet to find it.
Where are we?
1)God wrote the Bible 2)The Bible says we are sinners 3)Blood must make atonement for our sins
Let's go back to Isaiah 53 again ...
”the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.” Isaiah 53:6
Who is this person? It is the Messiah. Jesus Christ.
Christianity is nothing more than the fulfillment of Judaism's promise of a Messiah. What's that Cousin Philip? Yes, right on schedule, per http://www.direct.ca/trinity/y3nf.html as you have already read. Also the 300+ hints you visited at http://messiahrevealed.org/category-index.html all have fulfillments.
Jesus Christ, also known as “Jehoshua Ha Mashiach” among Israeli Christians, is the Messiah and HaShem, a.k.a. God.
Jehoshua Ha Mashiach, was executed on a cross in 32 A.D. for the crimes of ...
1)claiming to be God and Messiah
Pretty severe eh? When you believe in Jesus Christ, full blood payment per Leviticus 17:11 is applied to your account. God takes your sins per Isaiah 53:11, and you get the righteousness of God per Romans 3:23. From then on, you get to know God, just like in the good old days when Israel knew God.
If you have any objections or questions, please don't hesitate to ask me. I have never encountered a question that did not have a satisfactory or better answer in 9 years of being a Christian. Never, not once.
This is worth 100 hours of your life. Please, I'm begging you all. May all of you live to 120 years! But frankly, none of you know if you have another decade, year, month, week, or day more on this earth. Anything can happen, and eternal hellfire is a long, long, long time.
After 100 billion years, your punishment for your sins, will have just begun. This question of whether Jesus Christ is Messiah and God, is worth looking into.
God wants to know you, love you, forgive you, and strengthen you to stand boldly against evil for the name of Jehoshua Ha Mashiach, a.k.a. Jesus Christ.
Don't put this off.
Your loving cousin,
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Since you have examined the Scriptures and solicited suggestions and corrections why do you do speak of eternal hellfire as a punishment for wrongdoers?
What does the “Ha” mean in Jehoshua Ha Mashiach?
“The.”
The Jewish religion is not about the messiah. It is about Torah--period. The Torah is the logos. The universe was created so Israel could observe the Torah (it is not a temporary "schoolmaster" to prepare the way for the Messiah). And no, that doesn't mean G-d expects perfection, since the Torah includes rules for repentance (and the first sin was committed by the first-created "unfallen" man, not "fallen" man).
Revelation in Judaism is regressive, not progressive. It begins at the highest point (the Torah). The Prophets and Hagiographa are lower than the Torah, not higher. And the whole purpose of Messiah is to bring about a state where all the Torah/Noachide laws will be applicable and in force, not to abolish (or "fulfill") them.
Besides, I hate to break it to you, but chr*stianity has always taught that the kingship of J*sus is "spiritual" and allegorical and has been in force for two thousand years. The idea that the first advent was to pay the sin debt and the second to initiate a literal kingdom is a recent syncretistic departure.
And while we're at it, only certain forms of Protestantism teach that "salvation" comes about through the vicarious damnation of the divine scapegoat (substitutionary atonement). All the ancient liturgical churches (Catholic, Orthodox, etc.) teach that salvation is earned by observing the "new law." I'm sure the Catholic/Orthodox members of this forum will be happy to excoriate you for your heretical and syncretistic views.
Most Jews I met don’t like it when you proselytize to them. This kind of aggressive religious advertising is no more welcome than an atheist telling you how religion is a scam and how you are stupid to believe in it. You only get one set of relatives in your life, I wouldn’t antagonize them because of religion.
Penn Jilette, an Atheist Jew argues it takes a great amount of Hatred not to prosletyze if you believe salvation is on the line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JHS8adO3hM
That said, the author needs to consider the tone.
I think most of them will say, "Whatever ...," rather than getting into internecine Jewish-y disputes.
Very interesting response. Thanks.
I don't know. My experience is that most Catholic/Orthodox seem genuinely puzzled at where Protestant "faith only salvationism" based on substitutionary atonement comes from--as well as how their own legalism and insistence on human participation in "salvation" undermines the Pauline polemic against Torah observance.
I agree with you. If they are good people and family let them live in peace. You wouldn’t like it if they tried to convert you.
Thanks. I used to be a Fundamentalist Protestant so I know where these dear people are coming from.
They’ll say whatever because from my experience most of them have no real idea about the history or finer points of their religion. They know that it’s what their parents believed in or at least it’s where they were pushed to go every Sunday a.m.
True, but at this time of year, most people are pretty busy. It would take a real enthusiast to get involved in this type of argument right now.
Now watch one turn up and prove me wrong :-).
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“The Jewish religion is not about the messiah. It is about Torah—period.”
If this be so, why do Jews not follow Torah?
I also find in Isaiah 53:6 a blessed message: It begins with the word “all” and ends in the word “all.”
“All we like sheep have gone astray, every man has gone his own way, and He (God) has laid on Him (Jesus) the eniquities of us all.”
And in: “For He (God) hath made Him (Jesus) to be sin for us,who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:21)
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