[Truth Defender]

"I don't think anyone has anything against civilization."

So don't attack its primary builder because of some post-reformation ecclesiological nonsense.

Whose "attacking"? I'm just stating some common sense understanding of what is being done by adherents of many "churches" today - of whom you seem to be one.

BTW, what I said about the "ekklesia" (Greek spelling) is what is taught in the Scriptures you say you believe in. I realize you believe in a "developing" religion with "developing doctrines". However, I don't. I take what the Scriptures say about the "church" before I even consider what individuals try to push on everyone else.

[annalex]

The Catholic Church, as well as her historical part the East Orthodox Church are not denominations among many, they are the historical continuing churches that Christ founded. They would not be able to build the civilization we have otherwise.

what I said about the "ekklesia" (Greek spelling) is what is taught in the Scriptures you say you believe in

I gave the relevant scripture in my 35:

The gospels record the Church as a single body united by Eucharistic Christ (Rm 12, 1 Cor. 10) and organized around her bishops (Acts 20:28) who meet in councils, teach and legislate (Acts 15). Re-read the catholic epistles, and Acts.

There is, of course, much more scripture supporting the Catholic ecclesiology. What scripture are you talking about?