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To: TaraP; RJR_fan
So we know the earth will continue to get worse as we are suffering the birth pains of a fallen world currently.

Since we have overcome death by the Blood of the Lamb, haven’t we (Believers) already achieved *Victory*?

Premillenialists believe that the ratio of wheat to tares will progressively change in the tare's favor. The Great Commission is fulfilled in history only in the sense of being preached to all nations (but positive returns on preaching, i.e. conversions, will steadily and progressively decline, as will the prospects for raising up Godly progeny). The gates of Hell will progressively prevail against His church, leading to a Great Tribulation and Armageddon where the AntiChrist holds sway and influence over every soul on the planet, and Christ's enemies progressively wield influence, achieving a decisive victory by the apex of history. They are unable to be defeated until Christ returns physically to kick their collective keisters. Pretrib/Premillers tell us that "Jesus already has the victory", but only a victory that fails to manifest itself within history, contrary to Psalm 110, Matthew 13, Matthew 18, Matthew 28, etc etc etc).

While Christ personally may "have the victory", Christ's church will eventually lose all impact and influence as history progresses. It should then come as no surprise that the church ultimately disappears entirely (the rapture), having used up whatever opportunities it was given, and having "left behind" nothing of lasting value in return.

I have to wonder whether the premillers are expecting greater things of the wheat, or the tares?

87 posted on 12/17/2008 12:42:32 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: Alex Murphy; topcat54; RJR_fan; Lee N. Field

GOD’s heavenly Kingdom will rein on earth....
That is what is meant: Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done in heaven and on earth.

The Millenial Kingdom will come down on earth with all the saints.....

Since the earth will de destroyed by fire, (melted) the New Earth will emerge.

It is my understanding we as (Believers will live among the Lord in the New Jerusalem) the un-saved will still be on the earth, and will not be allowed into the gates. (Kingdom) When the wicked is finally destroyed they will be cast down to hell (Below the earth...)


90 posted on 12/17/2008 1:48:02 PM PST by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Seperation of Church and State)
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