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To: TaraP; RJR_fan
You quote scripture, that definetly is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ..however, IMHO respectful opinion you are a Cherry Picker of the Scriptures...

I would be happy to comment on any Scripture you think I'm ignoring.

*In my house is many mansions I go to prepare a place for you*

Absolutely true. I believe this is a reference to the new Jerusalem. Which we all occupy (Heb. 12:22) and will occupy to a greater degree in glory when our souls and bodies are reunited at the resurrection.

Yes the Kingdom of GOD is within us..He left us his Peace.

Also true. I don’t see any conflict.

The Firmament...Expanding Universe...That is one thing I did agree from the geocentricity site.

I don’t find the speculative theories in the geocentrism model to fit with Scripture. Trying to read the Bible as one would a science textbook is just as error prone as trying to read Bible prophecies as one would the Jerusalem Times. It fails to adequately account for the culture, language and setting for the text.

Can you imagine how many people have graced this planet from when it started? How many people are coming back? would there be enough room on this planet the way it is?

That is why it is called a new heavens and new earth. It has nothing to do with geocentrism. One more thing Topcate... What signs did Jesus want us to be aware of when he spoke in Matthew 24? Look up for our redemption draws nigh...

Matthew 24 combines two events, the impending siege of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD70 and the Second Coming. The dividing line in the chapter comes in vv. 34-36.

34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. 36 " But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only
If you read carefully you will see that Jesus is very specific about timing and events in the first half of the chapter. That was to warn the disciples to flee from Jerusalem when they events He told them about started to unfold. BTW, in that section of localized judgment, He makes a statement of contrast with the Second Coming, "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." The disciples did not need to be concerned that this AD70 event was the Second Coming because that event would be seen by all and impossible to miss (e.g., no secret rapture).

In v. 36 Jesus moves His attention to the Second Coming. "But of that day and hour no one knows …" He likens it to the days of Noah when things were going on pretty much normally until the very day Noah and his family entered the ark. The Second Coming would be sudden and the timing unknown. "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."

Bottom line, don’t confuse the signs in Matthew 24 related to the events of AD70 with the Second Coming when there will be no signs.

And what do you think GOD said..or meant when he said he would send a *Delusion* to people?

Well, let’s look at the context:

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2 Thess. 2)
Matthew Henry explains it this way:
Thus he will punish men for their unbelief, and for their dislike of the truth and love to sin and wickedness; not that God is the author of sin, but in righteousness he sometimes withdraws his grace from such sinners as are here mentioned; he gives them over to Satan, or leaves them to be deluded by his instruments; he gives them up to their own hearts’ lusts, and leaves them to themselves, and then sin will follow of course, yea, the worst of wickedness, that shall end at last in eternal damnation. God is just when he inflicts spiritual judgments here, and eternal punishments hereafter, upon those who have no love to the truths of the gospel, who will not believe them, nor live suitably to them, but indulge false doctrines in their minds, and wicked practices in their lives and conversations.

100 posted on 12/18/2008 10:04:53 AM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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To: topcat54

Thank you for these comments Topcate..

I am going to research, before I comment.

I appreciate your comments and wisdom. I will be back soon for more commentary! :)


101 posted on 12/18/2008 10:15:09 AM PST by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Seperation of Church and State)
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