Posted on 12/15/2008 12:20:45 PM PST by STD
WE CAN KNOW THE DAY
"THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK... SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE" THAT'S CHESHVAN 17
JESUS SAID, "TAKE YE HEED: BEHOLD, I HAVE FORETOLD YOU ALL THINGS" (Mark 13:23)
I'm no prophet, but it now seems that Jesus himself gave us the last clue we need a long time ago. It's so plain in Matthew 24, I don't know why I didn't get it before this. I knew it was in Scripture, but I looked everywhere but the right place, in plain view. I should have known that in plain view was the best place to hide something. What threw me off was Mt. 24:36, where Jesus said, "But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man". After so many reminded me of that so many times, I skimmed over what followed it.
Look what he said in verse 42: "Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR your Lord doth come." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.
In case we missed it, he even repeated it. in verse 44, he said, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR as ye think not the Son of man cometh." HE LEFT OUT THE DAY.
That means that in between verses 36 and 44, Jesus revealed the DAY, Cheshvan 17, "THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK." The wise virgins are not in the dark as to the DAY, just the hour. The foolish virgins don't know the day or the hour. Jesus put the day in plain view. I have read it over and over without realizing that in verses 42 and 44, he didn't say DAY AND HOUR, only HOUR (hora).
Mt. 24:32-45 (KJV) says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19, which she was in 1967), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golen Heights, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5; summer arrived June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it ('the kingdom of God', Luke 21:31) is near, even at the DOORS (symbol of the Raptures, as in Rev. 3:8, 4:1). Verily (amen, so be it, firm, trustworthy) I say unto you, This generation (i.e., those born in 1967) shall not pass (1967 + 48 = 2015), till all these things (i.e., both Raptures) be fulfilled."
It looks like the 2nd Rapture will be in 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776). The 1st Rapture will be 7 years before that, i.e., in 5769. This year started on Tishri 1, 5769 (Sept. 30, 2008). I thought the 1st Rapture would be that day, but I had something else to learn, and that is found in this passage of Scripture. Read on.
Continuing in Mt. 24, the Olivet Discourse, Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But AS THE DAYS OF NOE WERE, SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until THE DAY THAT NOE ENTERED INTO THE ARK (Cheshvan 17), And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; SO SHALL ALSO THE COMING OF THE SON OF MAN BE. Then (tote, at the same time, i.e., on Cheshvan 17, 5769; November 15, 2008) shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what HOUR (hora) your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an HOUR (hora) as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in DUE SEASON (kairos, set time)?"
Lev 26:2-4 says, "Ye shall keep my SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I WILL GIVE YOU RAIN IN DUE SEASON, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees (i.e., nations) of the field (i.e., world) shall yield their FRUIT."
We are called a kind of firstfruits. James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures."
Cheshvan 17, 5769 (Nov. 15, 2008) is on Saturday, the Sabbath. It looks like we will go to Shabbatai (Saturn, the 3rd Heaven; II Cor. 12:2, and the 7th planet) on Shabbat (the 7th day).
IN MARK, THE PORTER DOESN'T KNOW THE HOUR, BUT HE KNOWS THE DAY
Mark 13:33-37 says, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time (kairos, set time, due time) is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. WATCH YE THEREFORE: FOR YE KNOW NOT WHEN THE MASTER OF THE HOUSE COMETH, AT EVEN, OR AT MIDNIGHT, OR AT THE COCKCROWING, OR IN THE MORNING: Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." At even, midnight, cockcrowing, or morning is describing the hour. The porter already knows the day.
THE SON OF MAN IS REVEALED AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND RAPTURE
Luke 17:28-30 says, "Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed."
The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky as the Day of God's Wrath begins. He will be sitting on his throne, because the judgment will be made at the Judgment Seat of Christ that day. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place just before God's Wrath hits Earth. Again, we can figure out the day, but not the hour. There will be a Solar Eclipse a little past 6 PM on our previous day, when this Jewish day starts. I think it will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). It can't be later than 2015, because 1967 + 48 (Mt. 1:17) = 2015.
The Six-Day War of 1967 was the Sign of the End of the Age. It could not be later than 1967, because that was the last year 19-year-old Israel could be called young.
That day, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015, seems locked in place. The Sign of the End of the Age was the Six-Day War of 1967. It couldn't be later than that, because Israel was 19, the last year her branch (klados, a young tender shoot, broken off for grafting) could be considered tender (apalos, soft, tender, i.e., young). A generation from that year is the end of the age. The longest we can count as a generation is 48 years (Mt. 1:17). 1967 + 48 = 2015.
IN TERMS OF
SOLE PROPHET LEADING THE WAY, I’d agree.
However, Paul is quite clear . . .
some folks are called,
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH ERA WE ARE STILL IN . . .
to the OFFICES of
Apostle
Pastor
Teacher
Prophet
Evangelist
WHILE ALL OF US ARE PART OF THE PRIESTHOOD of the believers . . .
in which roles . . . there are no Jews, Greeks, Masters, Slaves, males, Females . . .
All are equal before The Cross.
You are correct. St. Augustine went one step further in "City of God" when his classic work described the difference between the visable church on earth and the invisable assembly of all His annointed people. We don't know whom God has desired to welcome home to His regular family.
If you depend upon, spend regular private prayer time with Jesus each day there are crowns for you. If you are acting as a encouragement to others in the faith and you carry about bring the lost around.time with and trust Jesus, He will know your name. People who were only playing games only present at church on Sunday. appearing to be righteous, but inside they are vavinous dogs"
Paul said as only Paul could say "there are now no gentiles, Jews or Greeks" all come together as a new assembly. Nothing attached to the western empire survived
Their duty was to glorify our almighty King Jesus not because He's our only hope, but because a recently converted "Christian empire was utterly defeated by the Barbarians.city. When Augustine was forced to become an apologist for the Fall of Rome and the question all Christians who were murdered, enslaved and executed for their faith. of the true states church in heaven are sorted out.
Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple.
I suspect God’s opinion is different.
In any case, His opinion is the only one that counts.
Thanks for your kind words.
"Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple."
You stated your opinion.
I stated mine.
I don’t know that what you asked for is particularly governing . . . in the least.
Me to STD
Please show me where the tribulation period is 7 years. Revelation has no 7 year period only 3.5 years. In your reference in Matt 24 Christ said that no stone would stand of the temple so something must happen for the last of the wall to fall so until that time I would not get my bowls in a uproar or and underwear in a wringer.
Your response to my statement to STD
He said of THE TEMPLE. He did NOT say, of THE TEMPLE AND THE PLATFORM IT’S BUILT ON.
My response to you
Is not the west wall part of the temple?
Your responce
Part of the hill—platform built up to build the TEMPLE ON. Is all of the mountain part of NORAD? Is the bedrock under the towers part of Golden Gate Bridge?
MY responce to you
Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple.
Your response
I suspect God’s opinion is different. In any case, His opinion is the only one that counts.
My response
I don't believe that I asked for an opinion I asked "Was it laid down as an expansion of the temple? If so then it is part of the temple."
our response
You stated your opinion. I stated mine. I don’t know that what you asked for is particularly governing . . . in the least.
My response
IS THE WALL PART OF THE EXPANSION OF THE TEMPLE? NOTICE THE QUESION MARK THIS IS THE SAME QUESTION I HAVE ASKED IN THE LAST 4 POSTS
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
the answer, imho,
remains
NO.
In terms of the issues of concern in this thread, the platform and wall adding to the leveled mount . . . is not, per se, PART OF The Temple.
It is a constructed addition to the leveled part of the mount on which the Temple is built.
BTW have you ever been there?
I have.
Christ did NOT say,
No stone OF
The TEMPLE
AND
THE TEMPLE MOUNT’s artificial addition
will be left one upon another.
Adding to Christ’s Words is not advised.
BTW,
I’ve never found it profitable nor advisable to try and put God in some silly, mangled, extrapolated, rationlized little human box on much of anything.
Does God's promises still stand? When He says that He will do something will He do it? Has Israel possessed all the land that God has said they would? No? So is God a lier? Or will they still posses it in some future time?
There is not a box big enough to put God in so I do not do that but I will hold Him to His promises and His word.
The accuracy of God’s Word is one thing.
The accuracy of vain glorious
PERSONAL
interpretations, extrapolations, fantasies, mangled flying leaps
therefrom
are quite another.
OF COURSE God’s promises are faithful.
He CERTAINLY WILL INSURE THAT ISRAEL HAS EVERY SQUARE INCH OF LAND HE PROMISED ABRAHAM. She has never, yet, possessed all that land. She certainly WILL.
WOW! THAT IS QUITE A OPINION.
“And why do people keep bringing up the pre-trib rapture. Where is it in scripture??”
It is not in Scripture. It e-v-o-l-v-e-d from John Nelson Darby about 180 years or so ago.
“And why do people keep bringing up the pre-trib rapture. Where is it in scripture??”
It is not in Scripture. It e-v-o-l-v-e-d from John Nelson Darby about 180 years or so ago.
Though, imho, greatly inferior in wattage to your cheeky opinion about the wall of the addition to the mount.
That assertion has been proven wrong hereon multiple times.
The belief is New Testament . . . and certainly can be traced back to the NT era.
Darby was a Johnny-come-lately to the party.
“The belief is New Testament . . . and certainly can be traced back to the NT era.”
Facts, please.
Help yourself.
They are hidden in the thousands of my posts hereon as well as those of some others.
I have no need to do your research for you.
I just like to note ill-informed, poorly researched, off-the-wall assertions as such . . . from time to time.
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