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To: fproy2222
....."Ultimately we will never really know exactly when our Lord was born. And that does not matter because we really do not need to know."......

Not true. The purpose of the Jewish Feasts Days were for encounters with God. Just as Passover had 2 encounters with God, so too we saw God in action on Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Pentecost. Given that track record, wouldn't it make sense to have an encounter with God on Trumpets, Yom Kippur, and Tabernacles? When the disciples asked Jesus about when The end times prophesies would happen, He told them they were not in darkness, but were children of light and could know these things. The day Christ was actually born isn't that important now that He has come, but if you were a wise man in Persia, you would have been watching for the signs and would have known your Savior was come if you had known the times of the seasons.

If you read the parables on the foolish virgins, the talents, unwise servants, etc, they all point to "servants"( that's a Christian) that has forgotten, or wasn't looking for his Master to return. You CAN know these days for His return and He admonishes you to be "watching" for Him. It is absolutely true that Dec 25th means nothing to God, but Tabernacles absolutely matters to God, as does Trumpets, and Yom Kippur.

Jesus appeared to us as a Jew, He practiced as an observant Jew, and the Jewish people were chosen to reveal the oracles of God to the world. Jesus came to save the Jew first, and then the Gentile. It would be totally consistent for the Jewish Law and customs to reveal EVERYTHING about Christ. To celebrate on a pagan day is just another example of the spirit of Antichrist already here. To call Sunday the Sabbath is another example. The first thing Jesus will do on His return to Earth will be to re establish the Sabbath.

I'm not a radical. I observe the birth of Jesus on Christmas on Dec. 25th, but I also observe the worship of my Savior every day. Jesus told His Church not to worry about people judging you not observing Feast Days and other traditions. He also relieved us of the burden of forbidden foods. But knowing the significance of the Feast Days should be a TOP priority of all Christian teachings. Just as we understand He most likely was born on Tabernacles, we need to understand the Rapture will most likely happen on some future Rosh Hashana( Trumpets, ergo the trump theme), the return of Christ on Yom Kippur( Judgment Day), and the 1000 year Reign of Christ should begin on some future Feast of Tabernacles.

For most Christians, we might be wrong on most of these days, but look at the cost of being wrong if you don't know that Trumpets will bring the Rapture. Not knowing Jesus was born on Tabernacles is just a slight inconvenience, but being left behind because you didn't think the Feast Days mattered will put us in the category of the foolish virgins or the foolish servants that got drunk and beat the others. Just picture the virgins that were told to go where they "buy and sell" and return to find their Bridegroom gone. They were still "virgins", (Christians), but apparently were the "lukewarm" "double minded" Christians who thought their Master delayed His return.

Celebrating Christmas in Dec doesn't doom you to hell, but shouldn't our teachers teach the Truth?

55 posted on 12/05/2008 8:21:29 AM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles
I think you are the only one who has addressed the real meaning of the article.
56 posted on 12/05/2008 8:36:26 AM PST by fproy2222
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To: chuckles; fproy2222
For most Christians, we might be wrong on most of these days, but look at the cost of being wrong if you don't know that Trumpets will bring the Rapture. Not knowing Jesus was born on Tabernacles is just a slight inconvenience, but being left behind because you didn't think the Feast Days mattered will put us in the category of the foolish virgins or the foolish servants that got drunk and beat the others.

No one knows whether Jesus was born on Tabernacles and that does not seem to matter at all. If it did I have no doubt God would have clearly and unequivocally published the exact date in His Word.

And not knowing the feast days will not cause anyone to be "left behind" unless they do not already know the Savoir to whom the feast days simply pointed.

"And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself." (Luke 24:27)

I do not have to build a tent in my back yard to know the true tabernacle of God come down from heaven, or blow a ram’s horn once a year to know he will return "at the last trumpet". These are not hidden things.

They were still "virgins", (Christians),

Actually they were not. For the parable concludes, " Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.' Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming." Jesus knows all His own by name. The kingdom is full of both wheat and tares, and the foolish virgins were not His own. (We also need to be careful about assuming a word means something without carefully examining the context.)

58 posted on 12/05/2008 10:17:49 AM PST by topcat54 ("Friends don't let friends become dispensationalists.")
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To: chuckles
For most Christians, we might be wrong on most of these days, but look at the cost of being wrong if you don't know that Trumpets will bring the Rapture.

What cost is that? Do you think you have to know what day the rapture is supposed to occur in order to be included in it?

Not knowing Jesus was born on Tabernacles is just a slight inconvenience, but being left behind because you didn't think the Feast Days mattered will put us in the category of the foolish virgins or the foolish servants that got drunk and beat the others. Just picture the virgins that were told to go where they "buy and sell" and return to find their Bridegroom gone.

I think this is an impressive misreading of the parable. The reason the foolish virgins had to go out to buy oil was because they weren't prepared in the first place. "Getting drunk and beating the others" isn't a metaphor for not keeping track of Jewish festivals, it's a metaphor for leading a morally disordered life. (Doing things like, say, getting drunk and beating people up.)

The point of the parable is not to preach some sort of gnosis (special knowledge) that some days are more special than others because of where they are on the Jewish calendar. The point is for me to stay in the state of grace and sanctity and repentance, so that when Jesus comes for me -- which could be at his Second Coming, or could be at my own death (which, for all I know, could be today) -- I will be ready.

69 posted on 12/07/2008 6:49:52 AM PST by Campion
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