Now that's what I'm sayin'...Your church tells you this stuff but the scriptures themselves tell us differently...
Right there in the verse that's being discussed:
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Even before any scripture was written, Peter recognized that Paul was 'speaking' scripture and then was writing scripture...Right from the getgo...
And while it took a few hundred years for your bunch to accept it, that scripture was being copied, distributed and preached for hunreds of years...
Why didn't your group know that Paul's writing was scripture??? They didn't believe Peter??? What about your apostolic succession???
Peter knew exactly what was scripture and who was writing it...The Apostle John knew what was scripture and what wasn't...And by the end of their ministries, you can bet thousands upon thousands of Christians knew what scripture was and wasn't...They didn't have to wait for hundreds of years for your bunch to tell them what scripture was...
You guys ignore and deny the part of church history where your church confiscated and burned as much of these early manuscripts as they could get their hands on...Much of the time murdering those who refused to give them up...And then to claim your church created the scripture...HOGWASH...
***Now that’s what I’m sayin’...Your church tells you this stuff but the scriptures themselves tell us differently...
Right there in the verse that’s being discussed:
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Even before any scripture was written, Peter recognized that Paul was ‘speaking’ scripture and then was writing scripture...Right from the getgo...***
Umm, Peter was saying that he thought that Paul’s writings were on the same level as that of the OT. There was no New - the Gospels, starting with Mark, weren’t even written until after Peter and Paul were martyred. Revelation was somewhere in the 90s, if I recall properly. The last Gospels were in the same time frame.
***Why didn’t your group know that Paul’s writing was scripture??? They didn’t believe Peter??? What about your apostolic succession???
Peter knew exactly what was scripture and who was writing it...The Apostle John knew what was scripture and what wasn’t...And by the end of their ministries, you can bet thousands upon thousands of Christians knew what scripture was and wasn’t...They didn’t have to wait for hundreds of years for your bunch to tell them what scripture was...***
Show me where Peter considered his own writings Scripture, or that of John, Mark, Luke, or Matthew. Show me where Revelation was considered Scripture by Peter.
***You guys ignore and deny the part of church history where your church confiscated and burned as much of these early manuscripts as they could get their hands on...Much of the time murdering those who refused to give them up...And then to claim your church created the scripture...HOGWASH...***
Everything in the NT is written by what are now called Catholics. I presume, by your posts, that you consult extra-Biblical documents such as the Gospel of Judas.
What a load of baloney. Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic Church.
Peter knew exactly what was scripture and who was writing it...The Apostle John knew what was scripture and what wasn't...And by the end of their ministries, you can bet thousands upon thousands of Christians knew what scripture was and wasn't...They didn't have to wait for hundreds of years for your bunch to tell them what scripture was...
Peter, John, Paul...You're describing the fathers of the Catholic Church. By DEFINITION the Catholic Church accepted what Scripture is...when it comes to the New Testament, Catholics WROTE it.
Hogwash, indeed. I mean what you are saying. One does not have to burn documents for them to disappear: they have to be copied because paper disintegrates. As for Peter in reference to Paul, he is simply saying that what Paul writes is true, but they need interpretation. One may assume that much else of what we know as the New Testament was widely circulated among the church communities and perhaps quickly. It may also be true that much else was circulated that has perished. What we have in the New Testament is what has survived, just as what we have in the Old is also what has survived from a much larger body of Jewish literature. But surviving means primarily things that were copied and recopied until they were finally put down in more permanent form on parchment. Of one thing I am pretty sure: that the people learned by hearing the word, either in the form of preaching or hearing them read from a lector. Not be looking at the document. Only a people who were used to the products of the printing press could ever think that early Christians individually, except the rich, had access to Scripture in their household.