Posted on 11/26/2008 4:35:17 PM PST by NYer
***Correct. Theology is based on faith. Faith preceded scriputres. ***
Horrors. Do you mean that Abraham didn’t have a KJV tucked into his back pocket? Didn’t Melchizedek have an NIV hanging around his neck along with the sacred stones? Wasn’t a Gideon’s carried in a display case on top of the Ark?
I had a debate once with a conservative Church of Christ long term pastor in Texas once who, once he lost his temper, informed me that if the KJV was good enough for Jesus it was good enough for him and was sure to be good enough for me.
The CofC doesn’t teach history at all because theirs is woefully short and weak and they don’t want to admit the splits and doctrinal changes and they sure don’t want to admit that their theology was influenced by various apostates such as Sidney Rigdon who was a close friend of the Campbells and Walter Scott (who started the Disciples of Christ / Church of Christ movement along with Barton Stone) and who jumped ship and joined the LDS and largely wrote its theology under the direction of Joseph Smith.
In both these churches, scriptures preceded faith. In both these cases, God is the creation of the men who wrote Scripture (in the case of the LDS) or who interpreted it without the guidance of the Church.
he was also glorified as such by the Apostles.
When Christ resurrected he said they couldn't touch him because he wasn't glorified yet. So, when was he "glorified" by the Apostles? In Matthew 28:17 it says of the eleven disciples who received his Great Commission, some revered him, but others STILL doubted him as he was about to ascend through the clouds.
We are also told that not all are appointed in the Church to be apostles, prophets and teachers (1 Cor 12;28 and Eph 4:11). Paul calls himself a priest, but he doesn't call others priests. And Christ simply promised the apostles to be ones who will judge the 12 tribes of Israel with him.
By all accounts, 1 Peter was not written by Peter, but it does say very important things for the Church—it buries the hatchet between Paul and Peter, and that's what the Church Fathers liked about it. It was an important and necessary piece of writing that would health their rift.
Even if Peter did write it, Peter is no Christ.
He was begotten eternally, before ages, in his divine nature and he was conceived at the Annunciation in his human nature, and was brought forth by the Virgin.
If Hebrews is correct and God had begotten Jesus as his Son on the day he was baptized, that means Jesus was not the son of God until that day; this is an ancient heresy known as Adoptionism and it's right in the New Testament!
Bottom line is: the Church never taught that God the Father had begotten Jesus on the day when he was baptized. We can argue why this is so, but obviously that part is not what the Church believed or else it would have taught it. Obviously, the Church kept the whole book of Hebrews because it contained some "stuff" the Church deemed necessary for us to know.
I see, so the Church really isn't built upon Peter or his successors.
Still, Blessed Peter is no Christ.
Does anyone "get" what they may be referring to? Some of the other points of their's though are relatively easy to decipher.
***Still, Blessed Peter is no Christ.***
You cannot possibly mean that some verses in the Bible are more important than other verses...
Well, we must remember that many Jews in the early Church were Greek-speakers, like St. Stephen. Palestine was a multilingual region. And Paul’s first missions were to the Greek Disapora. Greek was the lingua franca of the eastern med and Paul had a great advantage in knowing Greek as well as Aramaic and Hebrew. Culturally as well as legally he was a citizen of the Empire. Furthermore, as Paul Johnson surmises, many Jews assimilated into Graeco-Roman culture by joining the Church, especially after the Jewish community narrowed its cultural horizons after the devastating Jewish Wars.
Moi?
***You cannot possibly mean that some verses in the Bible are more important than other verses...
Moi?***
Vous êtes un fauteur de troubles.
The saints have always been the source and origin of renewal in the most difficult moments in the Church’s history. — Pope John Paul II
The faith of those who live their faith is a serene faith. What you long for will be given you; what you love will be yours for ever. Since it is by giving alms that everything is pure for you, you will also receive that blessing which is promised next by the Lord: the Godhead that no man has been able to see. In the inexpressible joy of this eternal vision, human nature will possess what eye has not seen or ear heard, what man’s heart has never conceived. — Pope St. Leo the Great
Charity unites us to God... There is nothing mean in charity, nothing arrogant. Charity knows no schism, does not rebel, does all things in concord. In charity all the elect of God have been made perfect. — Pope St. Clement I
To love God is something greater than to know Him. — St. Thomas Aquinas
I don’t believe that the Latins are lost.
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