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Immunity, Denied (Catholic Caucus)
WITL ^ | November 25, 2008 | Rocco Palmo

Posted on 11/26/2008 10:41:30 AM PST by NYer

On Monday, in what's being described as a "landmark" ruling, a Federal appeals court green-lighted a sex-abuse suit naming the Holy See among its plaintiffs:

[The] ruling, issued by the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati, marks the first time a court at so high a level has recognized that the Vatican could be liable for the negligence in sexual-abuse cases brought in the U.S.

The ruling is seen as a breakthrough by those allegedly abused by priests. Investigators and grand juries have found several instances where the church failed to report alleged abusers and covered up alleged misdeeds to protect them.

Jeffrey S. Lena, the attorney for the Holy See, said he was not "presently inclined" to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to review the decision.

It remains to be seen whether the Vatican, which is a sovereign state recognized by the U.S. government, will make further arguments that it is immune from U.S. civil proceeding.

Catholic dioceses in the U.S. have paid out at least $1.5 billion to alleged abuse victims, most of this since the scandal broke open nationwide in 2002.

The appeals court found that the church government may be held liable for actions taken in the U.S. based on the Vatican's policies or directives.

"What the court has allowed us to do is proceed against the Vatican for the conduct of the U.S. bishops because of the bishops' failure to ... report child abuse," said William F. McMurry, the attorney for three men who claim they were abused as children by priests in the Louisville, Ky., archdiocese. He is seeking class-action status in the district-court case.

The ruling marks the first time that a federal appeals court recognized that the Vatican could be liable under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act, a 1976 law that governs when a foreign nation or its agents can be sued, said Marci Hamilton, a constitutional-law scholar who is part of the legal team in the Louisville case.

"If someone can crack that barrier of immunity, it opens the door to other claims against the Catholic church," says Jonathan Levy, a Washington, D.C., attorney who represents concentration-camp survivors in a suit against numerous parties including the Vatican bank. The Vatican, in that case, prevailed in its claim of sovereign immunity.

Mr. Lena, the lawyer for the Holy See in the Louisville case, said Monday's ruling is a small step and one that is far from establishing whether Vatican policy contributed to thousands of incidents of abuse that have been alleged over several decades. "We're miles away from liability," he said. The ruling is "very incremental."
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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; vatican
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To: HappyinAZ
Yep...we agree.

I seriously doubt that.

101 posted on 11/26/2008 3:28:00 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: HappyinAZ

Too bad students can sue public school systems. That would bankrupt every tax payer.


102 posted on 11/26/2008 3:30:39 PM PST by Jaded
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To: Jaded

can = can’t

i hate it when that happens


103 posted on 11/26/2008 3:31:01 PM PST by Jaded
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To: HappyinAZ
Yes I disagree with some of the Church’s teachings....and many of their behaviors.

Then you are not a Catholic. You, like Pelosi, Kennedy, et al, are a CINO, a cafeteria Catholic.

104 posted on 11/26/2008 3:34:57 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Petronski

Will this be the Thanksgiving fun fest?

Doesn’t FR have spell check?


105 posted on 11/26/2008 3:35:26 PM PST by Jaded
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To: NYer; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

106 posted on 11/26/2008 3:37:05 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Pyro7480

Church of One Alert, Church of One Alert!


107 posted on 11/26/2008 3:38:05 PM PST by Jaded
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To: NYer

Normally the State Department would be all over this. Let’s see if they are this time.


108 posted on 11/26/2008 3:40:04 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: HappyinAZ
Nope...don’t really care what you think....I have no use for the kind of people that let pedophiles take over our Church. They were just like you...they refused to challenge “authority”....

Name one person on this thread who has "let pedophiles take over our Church." And please show how a refusal to challenge Church authority accomplishes that.

109 posted on 11/26/2008 3:41:29 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you, Admin Mod!!!


110 posted on 11/26/2008 3:46:11 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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To: HappyinAZ

How many priests that you know were charged?


111 posted on 11/26/2008 3:52:03 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: NYer

The Church seems to be coming under a waver of attacks each more bolder than the last recently.


112 posted on 11/26/2008 4:09:03 PM PST by fishhound (Obama and company are trying to FOCAround with the Church.)
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To: HappyinAZ
I’ll try to make sure I’m dressed up when I go to meet him!

What would you wear to a White House dinner?

113 posted on 11/26/2008 4:12:07 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Thank you very much for posting that quote from 2 Maccabees! It's no wonder Luther removed that book from the Canon. He lacked humility, as does Happy in AZ.
114 posted on 11/26/2008 4:16:22 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: HappyinAZ
Yes I disagree with some of the Church’s teachings....

We knew that when, back in October, you made the following absurd comments on the thread entitled:

Pope reaffirms Church opposition to contraception

This whole concept originated as a way to insure a base of Catholics for tithing.....

and a good “breach” it was......NO other religion preaches this....The incredibley poor should be able to use birth control without fear of eternal damnation.
Pretty hard to justify the “no birth-control” position when it adds to exisitng missery in poor countries..

No, Im’ rabidly anti-abortion...but prevention is the key to reducing poverty in these countries.

(You failed to respond when questioned about this contradiction when the topic of the abortifacient nature of many artificial birth control methods, as well as the health risks to the user, was brought up.)

I have NO problem with that...but favor teaching ALL methods. Why would one be better than others in the eyes of GOD?

You need to stop claiming to be a Catholic because you've clearly and repeatedly demonstrated that you aren't.

115 posted on 11/26/2008 4:37:11 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Petronski

I have my doubts about the veracity of the statement too.


116 posted on 11/26/2008 5:03:09 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: fishhound
I understand that some of these people were harmed, but how much money do they want? I think this is just a shakedown by the greedy and the avaricious.
117 posted on 11/26/2008 6:51:15 PM PST by virgil
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Judith Anne; NYer; Jaded

Do not post to him, he has been banned from the thread.


118 posted on 11/26/2008 8:53:49 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you, RM. Happy Thanksgiving!


119 posted on 11/27/2008 5:06:43 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you, AM. Happy Thanksgiving!


120 posted on 11/27/2008 5:07:49 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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