Christians Attacked by Gays in Castro District, San Francisco

JHOPSF Member ^ | 11/17/08 | Vanity

[erkyl]

I received this first-hand description of events that happened in San Francisco this past Friday night from a member of a Christian prayer group Justice House of Prayer-San Francisco. Please note there are some graphic descriptions in the email, but you can read most of it and skip the graphic portion if you wish.

A link to the news report is included, which includes video footage. The 'tolerance' of the left and the homosexual agenda is clearly evident in their violent and reprehensible actions against this peaceful group.

[oh8eleven]

Do not assume I have any interest in pacifism.
Your previous comment would make one believe otherwise and my point was that it HAS gone beyond the name calling stage.

[kaehurowing]

It’s all happened before, just like the video.

Genesis 19:1-13

[erkyl]

First of all, something was said and done about the Sarah Palin effigy. The N. Hollywood mayor went to their house and asked them to take it down, and they did. There were arrests made in the Michigan church incident. Now, if in both instances you're asking if the MSM fairly reported these stories, the answer would be no. Nothing was done by the MSM to protect the interests or the rights of the Christians. Even in the story about this incident in SF, the press makes it sound like the Christians asked for it.

I do not agree Christians should lay down. I don't agree that we should sit back and let the homosexual agenda take over. I think everytime a gay person threatens me or someone I love, I'm going to fight back. But that's me. I refuse to judge others who don't feel that way and want to instead 'forgive' and show mercy. I believe there's room in the Christian world for both.

As Christians, we shouldn't judge the choices of others just because it's not your choice of action. Christ was many things, and we are all one body with many different parts. Let them show Christ's love in the way they choose. If you choose to fight, then get out there and do it. But if we are tearing each other apart because we don't agree with each other on how to reach the lost and the misguided, then we are worse off than them--a least they have a united purpose and support each other in it.

Don't you think there are gays still in the closet, choosing not to fight, but instead to go down a more peaceful path for change? That's why they seem to have so much power--because of their unity of purpose. We still find fault and bicker with one another over issues of insignificance. We study and argue over the scripture and its meaning, and entirely miss the point of Christianity. I think Kierkegaard said it painfully well:

The Bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand it, we must act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. How would I ever get on in the world? Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church’s prodigious invention to defend itself against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close.

If Christians would stop arguing over the small things and get together and truly ask God to work through us on these big things, the power He would unleash in our nation would engulf the enemy. But until we accept each other, as we are, with our various gifts and callings, I believe God withholds the full impact of His blessing.

[craigmoss]

In addition to what I previously stated....

If you feel led of the LORD to return to those streets...

GO ARMED! Jesus would not be opposed...

“Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”
Luke 22:36

[erkyl]

Hey, everyone...this situation didn’t happen to me. If you read the introductory comments, I noted this was emailed to me. I appreciate all your comments directed at my actions, but I wasn’t there—I’m just passing along the information.

As to your scriptures, craigmoss, see my posted reply and the Kierkegaard quote.

Blessings :-)

[XenaLee]

This whole thing of “get out of our neighborhood” is going to backfire on them big time. Look for more gays being assaulted when they venture into straight neighborhoods. Violence always begets violence and they are apparently too stupid to comprehend that FACT.

[Religion Moderator]

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.

[luckystarmom]

Did you read my previous post?

I said that I think the church should be in those neighborhoods actually helping people. There are soup kitchens that Christians can serve food at. There are aids clinics that need help. There are lots of ways Christians can actually show Christian love to these people.

Christ actually helped people who were sinners. He was kind and compassionate to those he disagreed with.

[Lurker]

“I and the Father are one”

Then why did He ask? Why didn't He just say "I forgive you?"

L

[craigmoss]

“He was kind and compassionate to those he disagreed with”

OK...

“Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?”
Luke 12:56

That sounds real compassionate.

If you will take the time to read,

Matthew 14:14, 15:32, 20:34, Mark 1:41, 5:19 & 6:34

You will find that the only people Jesus was recorded to have compassion for were those who came to him, not those who rejected him (They will spend eternity in the lake of fire, that’s not very compassionate)

If one will read the Bible one will begin to realize that the long haired soft spoken Jesus they are tickled with on Sunday mornings is not the Jesus of the Bible.

Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read...
Isaiah 34:16

Ask, and it shall be given you; “seek, and ye shall find”; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and “he that seeketh findeth”; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. (Quotations mine)
Matthew 7:7-8

[trisham]

How about serving food to the homeless in the Castro district? I think you have to show God’s kindness and not say a word in these hostile areas.

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It doesn't appear that the Castro district is awash in poverty:

Demographics

The 2000 census reported a population of 30,574 persons, with a population density of 22,561/mi² (8,711/km²), in the 94114 Zip Code Tabulation Area, which includes the Castro District as well as neighboring Noe Valley.[7] In November 2000, the Noe Valley Voice reported the following statistics for city District 8, which includes Noe Valley, Diamond Heights, Glen Park, Twin Peaks, Corona Heights, Duboce/Reverse Triangle, and Castro/Dolores Heights. The paper cited a 1999 poll of registered voters by David Binder Research, a prominent local polling agency.[8][9]

White: 81%

Age 30-49: 54%

Male: 58%

Gay/Lesbian: 41% (15.4% city-wide)[5]

Rent housing: 55%

College graduate: 71%

Democrat: 72%

Republican: 12%

Religious affiliation: 56%

Not religious: 40%

[prayerfullywaiting]

Thank you for letting me know that about the mayor in San Francisco telling the two young men to take down the effigy and the arrests in Michigan. I seriously didn’t know that.
I live in Maine. I was reading comments on an article last week about clergy in Maine who support gay marriage. Another this week of our Catholic Bishop writing a letter on banning gay marriage in the state of Maine. If you go to the comments section and read the comments you find the disrespect that some of the gay community has for Christians and those who support the gay community against the christian people. There is something boiling in the pot and the cover is about to blow.
I believe we are all called to prayer. But I also believe we are called to action. We have to make sure that the police do their jobs. I don’t believe in violence but I do believe there is power in numbers. If we are silent, it will only get worse. We are to pray, witness, and we are called to action. That may mean contacting those we have elected and voicing our opinions on key issues that effect our families and communities.
California is known as a liberal state at least pockets of California. It just really surprised me the reaction I saw on the Bangor news comment section. Is this a glimpse of what is going on through out the rest of the country?
I am not sure who made this comment..”Immorality is un-American and a threat to National Security”. I believe that. I think we have it in our power now to take action before it’s too late. That quote may have been from Father Corapi and repeated by President Bush.

[erkyl]

We are to pray, witness, and we are called to action.

Agreed. I think each of us to our unique callings are called to each of these things. All too often, Christians called to act, simply pray. We need more Christians willing to take action and fewer passing judgment on other Christians. Far too many of us are fearful of taking action because we are afraid we will be judged as radical extremists by our peers and the world. We also fear that others will mis-characterize what we fight for as insignificant in light of all the other challenges in the world--poverty, disease, greed and economic collapse. But morality matters, just as your excellent quote summarizes. Now more than ever, I fear.

[Karliner]

I got the same eerie feeling. I felt like I was watching video taped 3500 years ago. It is described exactly what I was watching.

Sadly I was wondering the same thing. Wasn't it Billy Graham that said ( paraphrased)," If America isn't judged He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah?" I was wondering what the crowd of people were doing outside Lot's home back in the early days.

I asked a person what "Stop the breeders" meant and got severe verbal abuse two days ago. Nothing worse than being naive when it comes to homosexual words and phrases I can't keep up with( I was near a march in the town of Eureka, California and heard the phrase yelled out) Yesterday in church a person clued me in on the phrase. The hatred and anarchy is revealing.

[longtermmemmory]

Notice how the homosexual biggot radicals react. Their first response is to put up a blockade to prevent views in contrast to their prefered sexual behavior.

This is like a petulant child screaming “la la la la la” when the do not want to hear the truth.

[mockingbyrd]

Wow.

I do like how the article says Prop 8 passed by a narrow margin, does that mean Obama won by a slim margin too?

One can only hope there obscene actions does more to harm the “gay marriage” movement than help it.

[B-Chan]

Why didn't He just say "I forgive you?"

He did. Our Lord personally forgave sins on serveral occasions noted in Scripture. He did this to show that He was God, with the right to forgive sin.

However, He was also a Man, and on some occasions He did things as a man -- as an example to us. By asking His Father to forgive those who were killing Him, He showed us how we were to treat our enemies.

[Lurker]

He showed us how we were to treat our enemies.

And that whole "let he who has no sword, let him sell his cloak..." thingy?

[B-Chan]

Our Lord was no pacifist. He was friends with many people who bore arms, from Roman soldiers to Temple guards to zealots. He never condemned military service, nor did He rebuke any military man on the basis of his profession. In fact, He Himself used violence against other people on more than one occasion.

However, it is important to note that Our Lord never used violence in self-defense, nor did He allow Peter to use the sword to defend Him. Instead, the Creator of the Universe meekly allowed His own creatures to torture and kill Him.

The problem isn’t violence. Violence can be a good and holy thing. The problem is hatred — the act of thinking of one’s enemy as being less than human. Our Lord never hated anybody, and we are to follow His example. We may licitly use violence, and even kill, if our duty to defend nation, the public peace, or innocent life from an aggressor demands it — but we must never allow ourselves to hate our enemies.