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To: the_conscience; betty boop; hosepipe
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights!

The fact that many suppress the truth only adds to their condemnation (Rom 1).

Truly men have no excuse for not noticing that God IS:

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. – Romans 1:20-21

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. – Psalms 19:1-3

Moreover, not everyone has “ears to hear” – it is a gift of the Father. The people Jesus was addressing below were physically hearing Him, but they could not spiritually hear Him:

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:27

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. - John 6:65

Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. – Matthew 13:13-16

The natural man cannot receive the things of God because they are Spiritually discerned:

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. – I Corinthians 2:11-14

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:9

To God be the glory!

188 posted on 12/02/2008 7:40:02 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop; the_conscience; Alamo-Girl
[ its final Gestalt, which in Hegel’s system is identified with the consciousness of Hegel expressing as the complete identity of absolute Self and absolute Idea — world history ends; and a “new age” of Man, “standing alone,” begins. Because man is now “alone,” Hegel teaches that now he has arrived at the point in history where he can grant “grace to himself,” to “save himself,” to perfect the human condition, without the salvific Grace of God. ]
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The gestalt of identity is what being born again is all about.. Do you identify with the "flesh" or do you identify with the "spirit"/Spirit?.. What "are" you?.. Flesh?... spirit?.. both or neither?.. What is at stake is not only your lifestyle.. but the spirit of your awareness..

When you look into a mirror do you see yourself?.. or merely the container of yourself?.. Are you happy with the packaging or do you want(seek after) the contents of the packaging.. Large questions requiring answers about "identity"..

What is God, Angels, spirits, demons, the devil? are distant answers to personal identity.. cause what "you" are determines what those things(beings) are.. in your world..

Personal Indentity is at the base of who you think you are.. Metaphorically being born again is mandatory to your world view.. What Hegel missed (I think) is after becoming sure of who you(anyone) think you are.. you might be WRONG!.. I love the verse of I Cor 2;9..

However, as it is written:
"No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"
(also; Isaiah ch 64..)

Identifying with God (on any level) is a mind blowing event..
Are you a primate?... or something else entirely..

189 posted on 12/03/2008 7:13:48 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop; the_conscience; Woebama; hosepipe
so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate.-Gen 3:6

Trying to attain wisdom apart from the spiritual (God) has been a temptation from the beginning. The results are always the same; a lack of understanding and separation from God.

191 posted on 12/03/2008 5:15:57 PM PST by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it is Christ or nothing!)
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