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Hegel as Sorcerer: The "Science" of Second Realities and the "Death" of God
Self | November 10, 2008 | Jean F. Drew

Posted on 11/10/2008 11:37:17 AM PST by betty boop

Hegel as Sorcerer:
The “Science” of Second Realities and the “Death” of God

 

by Jean F. Drew

 

 

 

A friend asked for an explanation of a remark I recently made on a public forum that the great German philosospher, Hegel, was a “sorcerer.” I’m glad for this opportunity to respond. For the spirit of Hegel is alive and well today in the construction of any Second Reality, of which I regard the recent Obama Campaign to have been a splendid example.

 

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831) was a world-class philosopher — a master of classical philosophy, and a master system-builder. He is usually associated with the period of German Idealism in the decades following Immanuel Kant. The most systematic of the post-Kantian idealists, Hegel attempted to elaborate a comprehensive systematic ontology, or “science of being,” from a “logical” or “rational” starting point. He is perhaps most well-known for his teleological, “goal-directed,” even eschatological, account of human history — a model which was later appropriated by his notable follower Karl Marx, who developed Hegel’s “dialectical science” into his own theory of historical development (“dialectical materialism”), which by “historical necessity” culminates in communism.

 

Sorcery, or magic, is a conceptual system that asserts the human ability to control the natural world (including events, objects, people, and physical phenomena) through mystical, paranormal, or supernatural means — through, for example, magic words, or an ability to present compelling appearances of fictitious reality.

 

A Second Reality is such an ersatz reality. The term was coined by Robert Musil to denote a fictitious world imagined to be true by the person creating it, who will then use his construction to mask and thereby “eclipse” genuine, or First Reality.

 

In 1807, Hegel published his grimoirei.e., a magician’s book of spells and incantations — the Phänomenologie, which takes as its main goal the transformation of philosophy, the “love of knowledge,” into the final, complete possession of “real knowledge,” by means of his system of “absolute science.” Of his accomplishment the great German-American philosopher Eric Voegelin (1901–1985) would write, “No modern propaganda minister could have devised a more harmless-sounding, persuasively progressivist phrase as a screen for the enormity transacted behind it.”

 

For Hegel, “‘Absolute knowledge’ was to be the form ‘in which the pure consciousness of the infinite is possible without the determinateness of an individual, independent life.’” In short, the Phänomenologie “admits no reality but consciousness…. [Yet] since consciousness must be somebody’s consciousness of something, and neither God nor man is admitted as somebody or something, the consciousness must be consciousness of itself. Its absolute reality is, therefore, properly identified as ‘the identity of identity and nonidentity.’ The substance becomes the subject, and the subject the substance, in the process of a consciousness that is immanent to itself…. The reader would justly ask what a consciousness that is nobody’s consciousness could possibly be?”[1]

 

And with that question, noetically astute observers realize we must be dealing with a Second Reality: It appears that “Hegel the sorcerer” wants to eclipse our image of reality by a counterimage conjured up to furnish a plausible basis for the action he calls for.

 

As Vöegelin notes, “in order to be effective as a magic opus,” Hegel’s system of absolute science had to satisfy two conditions:

 

(1)  The operation in Second Reality has to look as if it were an operation in First Reality.

(2)  The operation in Second Reality has to escape critical control and judgment by the criteria of First Reality. (I have noticed that President-Elect Obama excels in conducting both types of operations.)[2]

 

So, what is First Reality? In effect, it is the classical Greek (and Judeo-Christian) description of the context in which human existence is actually experienced and lived. That is to say, the human condition is specified by man’s participation in a Great Hierarchy of Being that extends beyond, encompasses, and shapes his existence as a man.

 

Being is a philosophical term referring to the fundamental structure or order of the world. Vöegelin, following the classical Greeks, defines being as “not an object, but a context of order in which are placed all experienced complexes of reality….” Thus the Great Hierarchy of Being consists of four partners: God, Man, World, and Society. The individual man, as “part” of this “whole,” finds his own humanity in his participatory experiences and relations with the other partners of the hierarchy, and most especially in his relation to God.

 

Strangely, given his “revolt” against God and man and the world, Hegel was a man who not only insisted on his Christian orthodoxy up to his dying day; but as already mentioned, he was a master of classical Greek philosophy. So clearly he was aware of First Reality in the above sense. His “magical opus” is motivated fundamentally by a desire to overturn and supplant it with a plausible Second Reality of his own imaginative construction.

 

The first “partner” of the Great Hierarchy that had to go was God. This was necessary in order to make room for Hegel as the “new Christ” who would usher in the “third religion” of his System of Absolute Science, so to be the Messiah, the New Christ, of the new age a-borning. The point here is that with God “gone,” man himself becomes a pure abstraction and, as such, an ideologically manipulatable entity and nothing more.

 

As far as I know, it was Voegelin who first drew attention to the element of sorcery in Hegel’s work — even though the language Hegel had been using from the first was the language of the “magic word” and the “magic force” (Zauberworte and Zauberkraft respectively). Vöegelin indeed identified the Phänomenologie as a sorcerer’s grimoire. My sense is if Vöegelin was joking here, he was only half-joking: Something very serious is going on. So we need first of all to understand what Hegel intended by evoking such language. As for instance, here:

 

“Every single man is but a blind link in the chain of absolute necessity by which the world builds itself forth. The single man can elevate himself to dominance over an appreciable length of this chain only if he knows the direction in which the great necessity [i.e., the Geist of history] wants to move and if he learns from this knowledge to pronounce the magic words (die Zauberworte) that will evoke its shape (Gestalt).”[3]

 

We need to define our terms here: Geist can be translated from the German as either “mind” or “spirit”; but the latter, allowing for a more cultural sense, as in the phrase “spirit of the age” (“Zeitgeist”), seems a more suitable rendering for Hegel’s use of the term. Gestalt (plural: Gestalten) means the present historical configuration of events as the Geist inexorably moves or evolves in time towards the fulfillment of its final  “absolute necessity,” at which point — in its final Gestalt, which in Hegel’s system is identified with the consciousness of Hegel expressing as the complete identity of absolute Self and absolute Idea — world history ends; and a “new age” of Man, “standing alone,” begins. Because man is now “alone,” Hegel teaches that now he has arrived at the point in history where he can grant “grace to himself,” to “save himself,” to perfect the human condition, without the salvific Grace of God.

 

And Hegel’s enormously influential student Karl Marx (1818–1883) took the lesson to heart:

 

“Philosophy makes no secret of it. The confession of Prometheus, ‘In a word, I hate all the gods,’ is its own confession, its own verdict against all gods heavenly and earthly who do not acknowledge human self-consciousness as the supreme deity. There shall be none beside it.”[4]

 

“A being regards itself as independent only when it stands in its own feet; and it stands on its feet only when it owes its existence to itself alone. A man who lives by the grace of another [including God] considers himself a dependent being. But I live by the grace of another completely if I owe him not only the maintenance of my life but also its creation: if he is the source of my life; and my life necessarily has such a cause outside itself if it is not my own creation.”[5]

 

And so the “outside cause” — God — must “die” in order for man to be “liberated” for self-sanctification and self-salvation.

 

In light of such expectations, first of all, we need to remember that a “magic word” in itself does not evoke an actual creative act. Rather, it is the invocation of appearances, of illusions. “Magic words” do not have the power actually to change the structure of being, of reality; but only the way the sorcerer wants us to see it. If he is successful, then we are grievously misled.

 

Hegel’s famous epigone Friedrich Nietzsche (1844–1900) had a field day with Hegel’s insights. He not only declared God “dead,” but claimed that “we” had “murdered” Him. Mankind, on this view, has finally gained the existential status not only to be in a position to “kill God,” but also to grant itself “grace” and “salvation” via human reason alone. Of course, these are the maunderings of a person who sadly died in an insane asylum. Nonetheless, Nietzsche is splendidly honored by the “progressives” among us to this day….

 

It’s interesting to note that many students of the Phänomenologie consistently over time have reported that to be drawn into the “magic circle” of this enterprise is to enter into a perfectly logically self-consistent construction — so long as one does not use the criteria of First Reality to judge it. But finally, all criticism by appeal to reality itself, i.e., as actually experienced by human beings in contrast with being merely cogitated or thought, is foreclosed by Hegel’s rule that his construction need justify itself through nothing but “the presentation of the system itself.” Thus we have the case of the magically disappearing world.

 

And so not only God is booted out of Hegel’s system; but also any sense of “objective reality.” The “world” is drawn into the sorcerer’s consciousness as conceptualizations only, as Gestalten, “shapes.” Once the sorcerer possesses the historical “shapes” in his consciousness, he has no further need of “the world,” of evidence from the side of actual experience of the world. Thus he intends to “eclipse” such experience by the force of reason alone, dispensing with human existential experience altogether through the power of “magical” imagination — which of course altogether destroys any avenue of critical judgment from the side of First Reality, which happily satisfies criterion (2) above.

 

Second of all, we need to appreciate the worldview implicit in Hegel’s remarks. Voegelin thinks the above-quoted passage — i.e., “Every single man is but a blind link in the chain of absolute necessity….” — reveals Hegel’s intense resentment of the human condition as well as its cause. Further, it is a key passage for understanding the diremption — meaning the tearing apart, or violent separation from all former historical notions of the human condition so characteristic of modern existence — at the foundation of Hegel’s enterprise:

 

“Man has become a nothing; he has no reality of his own; he is a blind particle in a process of the world which has the monopoly of real reality and real meaning. [Note it is not the world that has meaning; only its process has meaning.] In order to raise himself from nothing to something, the blind particle must become a seeing particle. But even if the particle has gained sight, it sees nothing but the direction in which the process is moving…. And yet, to Hegel something important has been gained: the nothing that has raised itself to a something has become, if not a man, at least a sorcerer who can evoke, if not the reality of history, at least its shape. I almost hesitate to continue — the spectacle of a nihilist stripping himself to the nude is embarrassing. For Hegel betrays in so many words that being a man is not enough for him; and as he cannot be the divine Lord of history himself, he is going to achieve Herrschaft [i.e., dominion, lordship, mastery, rule, reign] as the sorcerer who will conjure up an image of history — a shape, a ghost — that is meant to eclipse the history of God’s making. The imaginative project of history falls in its place in the pattern of modern existence as the conjurer’s instrument of power”….

 

Since the conjurer’s instrument of power is in this case to be obtained by the “perfection” of philosophy into a system of absolute knowledge, we need to define what philosophy is. The etymology of the word tells you the meaning of philosophy is “love of wisdom”: In the original Greek, philo refers to “love” or “lover”; sophia to “wisdom.”

 

Hegel’s main project, as it turns out, was to transform philosophy, the love of wisdom, into an instrument of Absolute Science, whereby “wisdom,” and all knowledge, are found to consist, not in the loving search or quest for divine truth, the complete possession of which is denied to mortal men in this lifetime; but in the  “final possession” of absolute truth once and for all — the “absolute science” that can make men “immortal” in this world. In short, Hegel would like to transform philosophy into an exact science.

 

But if this were possible, then philosophy would instantly cease to be philosophy.

 

For although the insights of philosophy can advance, it cannot advance beyond its structure as “love of wisdom.” In the great tradition of the classical Greeks, eminently Plato and Aristotle (which Hegel had thoroughly mastered), philosophy denotes the loving tension of man “toward the divine ground of his existence. God alone has sophia, ‘real knowledge’; man finds the truth about God and the world, as well as of his own existence, by becoming philosophos, the lover of God and his wisdom. The philosopher’s eroticism implies the humanity of man and the divinity of God as the poles of his existential tension. The practice of philosophy in the Socratic–Platonic sense is the equivalent of the Christian sanctification of man; it is the growth of the image of God in man. Hegel’s harmless-sounding phrase [ i.e., philosophy must at last “give up its name of a love of wisdom and become real knowledge”] thus covers the program of abolishing the humanity of man; the sophia of God can be brought into the orbit of man only by transforming man into God. The Ziel [goal] of the Phänomenologie is the creation of the man-god….” — commencing with Hegel’s own self-deification as the redeemer of mankind now that the history of mankind, and notably his spiritual history, has been abolished by Hegel’s system of absolute science.[6]

 

In this, Hegel reveals his profound alienation from the idea of an established order of the universe. Indeed, he outright rejects any idea of order that has an origin other than in human consciousness, which he hypostasizes as “reason” or at least a facsimile thereof that the sorcerer can put over on his audience.

 

Voegelin provides some helpful insights into the consciousness of the sorcerer and his project:

 

“…Hegel experiences his state of alienation as an acute loss of reality, and even as death. But he cannot, or will not, initiate the movement of return; the epistrophe, the periagoge, is impossible. The despair or lostness, then, turns into the mood of revolt. Hegel closes his existence in on himself; he develops a false self; and lets his false self engage in an act of self-salvation that is meant to substitute for the periagoge of which his true self proves incapable. The alienation which, as long as it remains a state of lostness in open existence, can be healed through the return [to God], now hardens into the acheronta movebo of the sorcerer who, through magic operations, forces salvation from the non-reality of his lostness. Since, however, nonreality has no power of salvation, and Hegel’s true self knows this quite well, the false self must take the next step and, by ‘the energy of thinking,’ transform the reality of God into the dialectics of his consciousness: the divine power accrues to the Subjeckt that is engaged in self-salvation through reaching the state of reflective self-consciousness. If the soul cannot return to God, God must be alienated from himself and drawn into the human state of alienation. And finally, since none of these operations in Second Reality would change anything in the surrounding First Reality, but result only in the isolation of the sorcerer from the rest of society, the whole world must be drawn into the imaginary Second Reality. The sorcerer becomes the savior of the ‘age’ by imposing his System of Science as the new revelation on mankind at large. All mankind must join the sorcerer in the hell of his damnation.”[7]

 

In classical Greek philosophy, and especially in Plato, the epistrophe or periagoge in the above passage refers to the “turning around” to God (the transcendent Beyond of the cosmos) in open existence, in loving response to His call. The terms are analogous to the Christian “born again” experience. The term acheronta movebo means “If I cannot bend the Higher Powers, I will move the Infernal Regions.” It is the satanic declaration of the sorcerer who chooses to close all of reality in on himself, the Subjekt. Given the classical experience, this can only be a system of anti-philosophy.

 

In [Plato’s] Republic, the Beyond is imagined as the ultimate creative ground, the Agathon, from whom all being things receive their existence, their form, and their truth; and since by its presence it is the origin of reality and the sunlike luminosity of its structure, the Agathon-Beyond is something more beautiful and higher in rank of dignity and power that the reality that we symbolize by such terms as being, existence, essence, form, intelligibility, and knowledge. In the myth of the Phaedrus, then, the Beyond is the truly immortal divinity from whose presence in contemplative action the Olympian gods derive their divine and men their human immortality. In the puppet myth of the Laws, finally, ‘the god’ becomes the divine force that pulls the golden cord of the Nous that is meant to move man toward the immortalizing, noetic order of his existence. In this last image of the noetic “pull” (helkein) Plato comes so close to the helkein of the Gospel of John (6:44) that it is difficult to discern the difference.[8]

 

It appears that Hegel’s “revolt” is above all finally a revolt against, a rejection of the human condition, of the fact that a human being is never consulted about the terms of his coming into the world, nor of his departure from it. It is the essence of the human condition that a man is neither the origin nor the “end” of himself — “end” in the sense of telos, meaning purpose, or goal. Meanwhile, in between birth and death, there is a litany of evils to which mortal human nature is subject. “The life of man is really burdened,” as Voegelin put it, “with the well-known miseries enumerated by Hesoid. We remember his list of hunger, hard work, disease, early death, and the fear of the injustices to be suffered by the weaker man at the hands of the more powerful — not to mention the problem of Pandora.”[9]

 

Notwithstanding, Voegelin reminds us that “as long as our existence is undeformed by phantasies, these miseries are not experienced as senseless. We understand them as the lot of man, mysterious it is true, but as the lot he has to cope with in the organization and conduct of his life, in the fight for survival, the protection of his dependents, and the resistance to injustice, and in his spiritual and intellectual response to the mystery of existence.”[10]

 

Now the “lot of man” as just given is a description of the condicio humana, the human condition. It is the very basis for the idea of a universal, common humanity, of the brotherhood of mankind. It is my conjecture that it is possible for a person to take great umbrage at this condicio humana, to deplore and reject it, to see it as a grievous insult to one’s own assumed personal autonomy; and so to take flight in an alternative reality that can be structured more according to one’s own wishes, tastes, and desires. And thus, a Second Reality is born.

 

As for me, all things considered, I’ll take First Reality, the Great Hierarchy of Being — God–Man–World–Society — any day, any time. I believe that human beings were put in this world to be creative actors, even if they never get to design the stage on which the acting is being done, nor to control the writing of the script by which the play unfolds. And meanwhile they not only act, but suffer the actions of other actors or forces — personal, natural, social — from outside themselves.

 

Yet to recognize all this is to recognize the very basis of one’s own existential humanity. And to realize that the lot of any other man is no different. To be part and participant of this divinely constituted, dynamic “sub-whole” of a yet greater Whole is a glorious privilege. To go hole up in a Second Reality, to me, would be to lose one’s reason and probably one’s soul as well….

 

Indeed, that appears to be the conclusion reached by Charles Baudelaire (1821–1867), the great French poet, a noetically and spiritually sensitive person who understood himself to be living in an age of great noetic and spiritual disorder:

 

“A man who does not accept the conditions of life, sells his soul.”

 

And he penned these lines that make it crystal-clear to whom our soul is to be sold:

 

Sur l’oreiller du mal c’est Satan Trismégiste

Qui berce longuement notre esprit enchanté,

Et le riche metal de notre volonté

Est tout vaporiseé par ce savant chimiste

 

C'est le Diable qui tient les fils qui nous remuent.[11]

 

 

[“On the pillow of evil is Satan Trismegistus

Who long lulls our minds delighted,

And the rich metal of our will

Everything is vaporized by the scientist chemist.

 

“It is the devil who holds the son who we move.”]

 

 

 



[1] Eric Vöegelin, “On Hegel: A Study in Sorcery,” Collected Works Vol. 12, 1990.

[2] Ibid.

[3] G. W. F. Hegel, MS, Fortsetzung des “Systems der Sittlichkeit,” c. 1804–06.

[4] Karl Marx, Doctoral Dissertation, 1840–41 (quoting a passage from Aeschylus’ Prometheus Bound).

[5] Karl Marx, “National Ökonomie und Philosophy,” Der Historische Materialismus: Die Früschriften.

[6] Eric Vöegelin, “On Hegel,” op. cit.

[7] Ibid.

[8] Ibid.

[9] Eric Vöegelin, “Wisdom and the Magic of the Extreme,” Collected Works, Vol. 12, 1990.

[10] Ibid.

[11] Charles Baudelaire, “Au lecteur,” introducing the Fleurs du Mal, 1857.

©2008 Jean F. Drew


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To: betty boop
Thank you so very much for your outstanding essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

What fascinating insights from both Heraclitus and Bergson and how closely they match!

It is easy to discern the man who thinks he is Napoleon is tragically cut off from the Great Hierarchy of Being, living in a Second Reality of his own imagining - but truly, the man closed to God is likewise deformed.

81 posted on 11/15/2008 12:01:56 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe
Amazing that some people will hear what they want to hear.. and see what they want to see..

Precisely so, dear brother in Christ! Thereby their "reality" is of their own imaginations.

Thank you for sharing your insights.

82 posted on 11/15/2008 12:03:20 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe; Alamo-Girl
Exactly.. humans are to "that concept" merely primates.. or monkeys with instinct and habits..

Indeed. This is the theme of the great myth of the divine puppet-master in Plato's Laws. We humans are as if suspended in an "in-between" reality that subjects us to the competing pulls of the divine "golden cord," or the variety of pulls that come from "below," from our instinctual, animal, emotional nature.

LOLOL, but I just recollected Katherine Hepburn's famous line from the African Queen: "Human nature is that which we are supposed to rise above."

Again we get back to your donkey/rider metaphor. Plato described man as "psyche in soma," of soul or spirit incarnated in a body. Moreoever, man naturally possesses nous, mind, or reason, whether or not he chooses to develop it. The "pulls" of the divine puppet-master of the myth are the "pulls" of the divine Nous; since man has nous also, communication is possible.

Of course, this is all Greek to me! LOLOL!

83 posted on 11/15/2008 12:40:56 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop; hosepipe; marron
Of course, this is all Greek to me! LOLOL!

LOLOL! Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

This is the theme of the great myth of the divine puppet-master in Plato's Laws. We humans are as if suspended in an "in-between" reality that subjects us to the competing pulls of the divine "golden cord," or the variety of pulls that come from "below," from our instinctual, animal, emotional nature.

Jewish mysticism speaks to the same tugging.

In man, the neshama (Genesis 2) is the breath of God which tugs him to the divine. And the nephesh (Genesis 1) is the animal soul which tugs him to the earthy.

The ruach (Old Testament) is the pivot, the man's soul which chooses whether to be focused on the divine or on the earthy. In the great debate, Plato is focused on the divine and Aristotle on the earthy.

Paul in Romans 8 speaks to these two aspects (carnal or fleshy man versus the spiritual man) - or to use hosepipe's metaphor, the donkey versus the rider.

Christians are secured because we have have more than the breath of God (neshama) - we actually have the indwelling Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ. We must follow the Spirit, ruach Elohim which means Spirit of God.

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:1-9

To God be the glory!

84 posted on 11/15/2008 1:18:46 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
In man, the neshama (Genesis 2) is the breath of God which tugs him to the divine. And the nephesh (Genesis 1) is the animal soul which tugs him to the earthy.

I have long ceased to be amazed by the key correspondences that exist in the symbols that man has developed down the ages, seemingly almost regardless of the cultural contexts in which they arise. Certain themes never seem to go away. The Old Testament account of man and his relations — with God and the other partners in the great hierarchy of being — the classical philosophical, and the Christian all see the same thing, and articulate it in remarkably similar language. This tells me there is a "seam" of God's Truth that perennially runs through the world; and noetically and spiritually sensitive people of all times and places notice things like that.

C. S. Lewis has a great appendix (in The Abolition of Man) that provides further details of this phenomenon.

To God be the Glory!

85 posted on 11/15/2008 2:20:59 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop

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86 posted on 11/15/2008 2:27:36 PM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Alex Murphy; betty boop

I am troubled by the notion that Christianity is a religion of ethics.
The presence of Christ in my life did not occur out of some ethical series of behaviors or any sense of goodness on my part. He is alive in me because he saved me from the oblivion of my self. I am bought by His blood, not by ethics. This seems to me to be a cosmological and not an epistological event. The only theory of knowledge necessary is to recognize the nature of reality, a simple and essentially primitive act.
The distinction may simply be between the experience of religion as a human construct and the experience of God. One need not, after all, be religious to know God.


87 posted on 11/15/2008 3:27:06 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: betty boop

Thank you Betty, for a most relevant article. I struggled through it several days ago and am just now re4ading the thread.
We are most certainly beseiged by the rule of godlessness in our highest government offices. The days to come will be dramatic and powerful and will almost certainly determine the future of our republic as a constitutional nation under God.
I am humbled that we have patriots of depth and wisdom among us. They will be sorely needed.


88 posted on 11/15/2008 3:33:32 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Amos the Prophet; Alex Murphy; Alamo-Girl; hosepipe
Amos, what a magnificent testimony! It can't be improved upon, so I won't even try.

But I will add by way of corroboration: To reduce Christianity to a religion of ethics is to miss the entire point of the Sacrifice of Christ and His Living Presence in our lives. And I agree that "One need not, after all, be religious to know God." Certainly Plato wasn't "religious" in any sense we readily recognize nowadays; but he sensed the divine Presence in his life. He identified it as Nous, "divine mind." What he couldn't do, before the coming of Christ, was draw the connection between "Mind" and the actual Person whose Mind was "present" in his own spiritual life.

Thank you ever so much for your beautiful essay/post!

89 posted on 11/15/2008 3:45:07 PM PST by betty boop
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To: Amos the Prophet
They will be sorely needed.

And possibly sorely tested in what is to come, if my worst imaginings come true.

May God ever bless you, Amos, and all your loved ones! And may He continue to bless America!

90 posted on 11/15/2008 3:49:09 PM PST by betty boop
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To: spirited irish
That our civilization and freedoms are in decline speaks not to any failing of our founding worldview but rather to the corruptibility of man. We tried the ‘ideas,’ as it were, and decided that they were too rigorous and demanding.

Thus have we chosen a new slave owner. If the man (0) were black he would have a soul. He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.

91 posted on 11/15/2008 4:18:10 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ Of course, this is all Greek to me! ]

The greeks developed religious play acting to an art.. d;-)..
Because that is what pagan religion is.. a play..
A delicious or tragic acting out of a myth..

All done with expensive artifacts and impressive masks..
Which some christian and jewish troups steal from..
Not to speak of psuedo-christian(cultic) artisans..

Some artisans become Superstars and everything..

92 posted on 11/15/2008 6:23:20 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop
This tells me there is a "seam" of God's Truth that perennially runs through the world; and noetically and spiritually sensitive people of all times and places notice things like that.

Indeed. Thank you so much for all of your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

93 posted on 11/15/2008 7:52:20 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
To reduce Christianity to a religion of ethics is to miss the entire point of the Sacrifice of Christ and His Living Presence in our lives.

So very true. Thank you so much for all your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

94 posted on 11/15/2008 7:54:14 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: hosepipe; betty boop
Also, there are several instances in the Old Testament where God calls upon the prophets to "act out" a spiritual truth or prophecy as a means of communicating.

And I said unto them, If ye think good, give [me] my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty [pieces] of silver.

And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty [pieces] of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD. - Zech 11:12-13

Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What [is that] to us? see thou [to that].

And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. - Matthew 27:3-7

To God be the glory!

95 posted on 11/15/2008 8:07:27 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
Please tell me what Eric Vöegelin's "article of faith" is? I've been a student of his for a while now and am most curious to know your view of this.

Eric Vöegelin's consciousness of man and its relation to the "divine ground of being". He is in essence a mystic. His conclusions are rationally derived from his initial mysteries and are therefore mysteries themselves. He begins with an opinion and after torturing the languages of classical philosophy and theology, he ends with an opinion. At best it can be said that his works produce hypotheses, but not true knowledge. After all of his rationalization, he still doesn't know if he knows anything, he simply "feels' that he knows something. For instance, his first reality could simply be a biologically evolved coping mechanism. In other words, Vöegelin's philosophy "works" whether his "first reality" is real or only imagined. He built his philosophical house upon the sand.

96 posted on 11/16/2008 6:11:30 AM PST by PasorBob
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To: betty boop
If I wanted to understand the relations between mind and world, for example, would science be of any help to me? Science doesn't have much to say about mind, or psyche, or spirit; and if it has a concept of "world," or even of "reality," it didn't get it from the exercise of the scientific method, but from philosophy.

You have illustrated the problem with most philosophy. Although your assertion may be absolutely correct, you haven't demonstrated that it is. Please understand that this isn't a criticism of you personally, but of philosophy generally.

Science does have much to say about mind and the world and reality. (Psyche and spirit could be described as part of mind and world and reality). What it says, however, isn't satisfying to mystics, so they reject it out of hand thereby creating a "first reality".

97 posted on 11/16/2008 6:24:29 AM PST by PasorBob
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To: aruanan
Are you referring to his 5-volume Order and History? But it's not about "progress." I'm not aware that Vöegelin ever took "progress" as a subject.
98 posted on 11/16/2008 10:21:30 AM PST by betty boop
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To: Mad Dawg
The ones that survive not only get a doctorate but a medal for endurance AND treatment for PTSD.

LOLOL!!!! That's for sure!

Polemics is something I'm really trying to avoid these days. It's hard. Plus I find that fewer people want to talk with me when I'm NOT being "polemical!"

99 posted on 11/16/2008 10:23:55 AM PST by betty boop
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To: PasorBob
I gather you are not a Vöegelin fan, PasorBob; nor a fan of classical philosophy. Vöegelin is not a system builder; nor does he seek to create "doctrines." He follows the Socratic-Platonic model, which essentially begins with psyche — that would be his "initial mystery." I agree with you that psyche is pretty mysterious, if that was your point.

You still haven't told me what you think his "article of faith" is. Or which of his 30+ books you've read. Sounds to me like you made a quick stop at Wikipedia; and the article about Vöegelin over there was obviously written by someone suffering from a profound case of anoia.

100 posted on 11/16/2008 10:40:05 AM PST by betty boop
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