[2CAVTrooper]

Yes those states are a hot bed of liberalism, and most are illegal alien sanctuary cradle to grave welfare states to boot.

Even the Catholic church acts as a sanctuary for these illegals, and the Catholic church here in the U.S. has taken a weak stance on abortion.

Those are two reasons why I'm a non-practicing Catholic.

[steve8714]

The Church’s stance on abortion is less weak than it is muddled by the Bernardinites in power positions. I want to puke every time I hear capital punishment mentioned with abortion and euthanasia.