Posted on 10/26/2008 1:21:45 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper
I. PROTESTANT INTOLERANCE: AN INTRODUCTION AND OVERVIEW
1. Views of Catholic and Protestant Historians
A. Johann von Dollinger
"Historically nothing is more incorrect than the assertion that the Reformation was a movement in favour of intellectual freedom. The exact contary is the truth. For themselves, it is true, Lutherans and Calvinists claimed liberty of conscience . . . but to grant it to others never occurred to them so long as they were the stronger side. The complete extirpation of the Catholic Church, and in fact of everything that stood in their way, was regarded by the reformers as something entirely natural." (51;v.6:268-9/1)
B. Preserved Smith (Secularist)
"If any one still harbors the traditional prejudice that the early Protestants were more liberal, he must be undeceived. Save for a few splendid sayings of Luther, confined to the early years when he was powerless, there is hardly anything to be found among the leading reformers in favor of freedom of conscience. As soon as they had the power to persecute they did." (115:177)
C. Hartmann Grisar
"At Zurich, Zwingli's State-Church grew up much as Luther's did . . . Oecolampadius at Basle and Zwingli's successor, Bullinger, were strong compulsionists. Calvin's name is even more closely bound up with the idea of religious absolutism, while the task of handing down to posterity his harsh doctrine of religious compulsion was undertaken by Beza in his notorious work, On the Duty of Civil Magistrates to Punish Heretics. The annals of the Established Church of England were likewise at the outset written in blood." (51;v.6:278)
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Your failure to see the distinction is not my problem.
There was nothing wrong with that sentence. It was an imperative statement.
I don't ask those who have gone before to pray for me.
Too bad for you.
If I'm going to be a good steward of my time, wouldn't it be more beneficial to ask Christ directly?
Like I said, don't ask anyone to pray for you, just be a good steward of your time and ask Christ directly.
Why does someone ask someone who died to pray for him/her?
The same reason one would ask anyone else for prayers.
And in doing so one deprives oneself of all of His other gifts to us: His Church, His Blessed Sacraments, etc.
And that's the difference. We don't accept what is taught by the traditions of men. We rely upon the infalible word of God. It was, after all, the Church that taught us that.
Protestants may rely on it, but have very little understanding of it, and that what is constantly demonstrated.
I'm glad to hear you've rejected sola scriptura and sola fide.
Oh, and TULIP. I'm glad to hear you've rejected TULIP too.
Um....I believe we're the ones that are often found quoting from scriptures. Catholics, OTOH, often say "Saint Blah-blah believed [fill in the blank] and 8 out of 10 Catholics agreed with Saint Blah-blah's view. After all, Saint Blah-blah must be right because he didn't eat meat on Fridays AND on Tuesdays. He was such a holy man."
All Christians are part of His Church; wouldn’t you agree?
As for His blessed sacraments, we partake of the Lord’s table not to impart grace to us but to proclaim the Lord’s coming.
Yes, protestant blather on in pagan ignorance, misquoting (or mis-assigning) Holy Scripture, but understanding Holy Scripture requires the lens of Christ's Church. Without that you have the ever changing meanderings of protestant scriptural interpretation, a proverbial wandering in the wilderness.
Of course you are, whether you are in full communion with it or not.
As for His Blessed Sacraments, we partake of the Lord’s table not to impart grace to us but to proclaim the Lord’s coming.
That's your choice, and an unfortunate one at that.
Don't you mean microscope to read the fine print? If you want to compare "ever changing meanderings" I'd suggest you compare Vatican I to Vatican II. Even the Catholics can't agree what they mean.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
Rom 5:11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
It's rather clear. We are not reconciled to God by indulgences to God. We are reconciled to God by the work of His Son.
Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.
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