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To: count-your-change
I gave you the facts.

The allegation was incest. No facts were presented. What you gave me was allegation, not fact.

If this be true, then you may be getting closer to the truth, that if the charges were untrue the bishops were just as corrupt as the accused. In other words, just a bunch of crooked politicians fighting over the spoils?

As I pointed out, the bishops in question were a tiny minority of the episcopate - a "synod" of fifty to supposedly sit in judgment over a Pope is a joke.

As it turns out, the bishops in question were all from lands controlled by the Emperor or his vassals - these men were likely in danger of their lives - their skins were the "spoils" of the Emperor's coercion.

Even then, he could only get fifty out of the hundreds of bishops living in his realms and not one Frenchman, Spaniard, Swiss, Briton or Pole.

Actually there was a previous John XXIII but wasn’t he considered an anti-pope?

Is the thread about Popes, or antipopes?

So again, where are the lies in anything I’ve presented here?

The lies are in the original article. What you're presenting is your willingness to bend over backwards until your chin touches your soles to try and explain away the lies the author told.

122 posted on 10/15/2008 8:23:30 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: wideawake; count-your-change
As I pointed out, the bishops in question were a tiny minority of the episcopate - a "synod" of fifty to supposedly sit in judgment over a Pope is a joke.

This argument has merit. It is a stretch to portray the oponion of the small number of dissidents in this Synod as binding and or authoritive as concerns the whole Church.

I assume you would agree with me that the "official" Bible Canon could not have been established at the minor "Synods" at Hippo (393) and Carthage (397 & 419). That is, the Catholic Bible Canon was established at the Council Of Trent in 1546.

259 posted on 10/17/2008 9:50:31 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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