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Though the immediate fruits of the Reformation decayed, as had those of many other heresies in the past, yet the disruption it had produced remained and the main principle_reaction against a united spiritual authority_so continued in vigour as both to break up our European civilization in the West and to launch at last a general doubt, spreading more and more widely. None of the older heresies did that, for they were each definite. Each had proposed to supplant or to rival the existing Catholic Church; but the Reformation movement proposed rather to dissolve the Catholic Church_and we know what measure success has been attained by that effort!
1 posted on 10/14/2008 6:36:15 PM PDT by stfassisi
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To: AveMaria1; Friar Roderic Mary; fr maximilian mary; Kolokotronis; Carolina; sandyeggo; Salvation; ...
This man was a Frenchman, Jean Cauvin (or Calvin), the son of an ecclesiastical official, steward and lawyer to the See of Noyon. After the excommunication of his father for embezzlement and the confiscation by his Bishop of much of the income which he, Jean Calvin, himself enjoyed, he, John, set to work_and a mighty work it was.

It would be unjust to say that the misfortunes of his family and the bitter private money quarrel between himself and the local hierarchy was the main driving force of Calvin's attack. He was already on the revolutionary side in religion; he would perhaps have been in any case a chief figure among those who were for the destruction of the old religion. But whatever his motive, he was certainly the founder of a new religion. For John Calvin it was who set up a counter-Church.

He proved, if ever any man did, the power of logic_the triumph of reason, even when abused, and the victory of intelligence over mere instinct and feeling. He framed a complete new theology, strict and consistent, wherein there was no room for priesthood or sacraments; he launched an attack not anti-clerical, not of a negative kind, but positive, just as Mohammed had done nine hundred years before. He was a true heresiarch, and though his effect in the actual imposition of dogma has not had a much longer life than that of Arianism yet the spiritual mood he created has lasted on into our day. All that is lively and effective in the Protestant temper still derives from John Calvin.

2 posted on 10/14/2008 6:38:29 PM PDT by stfassisi (The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: stfassisi

You know, I would never even consider posting something that demonstrated the decay, demise, and incorrectness of the Catholic Church, because I know that millions of good Americans happen to embrace that faith and that’s their business. But, when I’m subjected to this hateful and insulting anti-protestant filth just by viewing the news threads, I have to say something. I’ll pray for you, I know that you and the writer of this crap are only the product of an indoctrination that doesn’t allow free thought, only the worship of a man-made system rather than G-d. I suggest you read “Windswept House”, by Father Malachi Martin, a Catholic priest. He said that every event he depicts in the book is real, including the Satanic ceremony conducted in the Vatican during which a child was raped on an altar. Remember that, and then you might understand the true source of the pedophile “problem” currently being experienced by the “Church”.


3 posted on 10/14/2008 6:57:34 PM PDT by thatdewd (All that is necessary for the triumph of Evil is that good men do nothing.)
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To: stfassisi

Go back and read Justin the Martyr, Ireanaeus, Athenagoras, Tertullian. Then tell me whether the Catholic Church of 1700 or the Protestants of 1700 were closer to the truth, as written by people who actually knew the 12 Apostles or were schooled in the Christian faith by their closest students.


4 posted on 10/14/2008 7:02:06 PM PDT by ikka
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To: stfassisi

True faith is the assurance of salvation.

Those who assert they can never have assurance of salvation, testify to their lack of faith.


8 posted on 10/14/2008 7:16:42 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: stfassisi

LOL

“You, there! Unscrambled that egg! Quickly, now!”


9 posted on 10/14/2008 7:20:44 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: stfassisi; Heretic; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Quix
Heresy is an oxymoron.. Its not a matter of what you believe it is a matter of who you are..

"You MUST be born again"- Jesus..

12 posted on 10/14/2008 7:34:40 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: stfassisi; DarthVader; iThinkBig

God has put me on the bench in terms of carrying the flag in such arguments.

However, folks who fail to understand that

HE HIMSELF will be dealing with such wholesale balderdash

are in for some serious surprises.


17 posted on 10/14/2008 8:21:53 PM PDT by Quix (POL LDRS GLOBALIST QUOTES: #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: stfassisi

for later


20 posted on 10/14/2008 9:04:23 PM PDT by Desdemona (Lipstick only until the election. The gloss has been sacrificed for the greater good.)
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To: stfassisi

May this humble Protestant beg your indulgence for our transgressions? Er, ... In round dollars, how much is that going to cost me?


28 posted on 10/15/2008 5:39:08 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar/Feathers '08)
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To: stfassisi
It was not a particular movement but a general one, i.e., it did not propound a particular heresy which could be debated and exploded, condemned by the authority of the Church, as had hitherto been every other heresy or heretical movement.

Thanks for the post, albeit a lengthy one. I could comment on many portions of the text, but this very early statement caught my attention.

The Reformation started off as a particular movement when Martin Luther posted his 95 Thesis Against the Papal Use of Indulgences. Luther desparately wanted a debate, but the Church would not allow one. It was only when the Church, with the help of the Emperor, tried to silence Luther, did it become a very wide general movement. And to Luther's credit, he often times had to reign in those who used the general movement to their own religious and political ends. As such, Luther did everything he could to keep the Reformation as a specific movement.

It is true that there were other reformers that came later who tried to make the movement a general one -- the Anabaptists being one.

36 posted on 10/15/2008 9:15:52 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

42 posted on 10/15/2008 5:38:57 PM PDT by narses (http://www.youtube.com/TheMouthPeace)
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To: stfassisi

bumpus ad summum


51 posted on 10/15/2008 9:00:15 PM PDT by Dajjal (Visit Ann Coulter's getdrunkandvote4mccain.com)
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