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To: Star Traveler
As a side note, our English translation of the Bible (the one you and I read) has only been around for about 400 years — while the Latin version of the Bible has been around for over a thousand (and more) years. It’s the Latin version that contains the word “rapture” (in the Bible). We’ve just taken the Latin word and carried it over into English and cleaned up the pronunciation a bit for our English ears. So, actually the word “rapture” — is — in the Bible. You just have to be reading the Latin Bible and not the English Bible. AND, one more thing, before you demand it be in the “English” Bible. The Bible was not originally written in English...

What languages did Paul speak? Through Paul the majority of the New Testament came to us, and I have yet to find it to have been in Latin let alone English. You did say it was what only over a thousand years ago the Bible got its Latin translation? Paul of all the New Testament writers knew the Hebrew and what Christ was referencing when He stated I have foretold you all things.

It was John that explained what that ALL included in John 1:1 In the beginning (now we have a book in the Bible that means just that Genesis) *WAS* the Word, and the Word WAS with God, and the Word WAS God.

So in the ORIGINAL languages the word rapture is NOT used, however, there is a place in Ezekiel wherein the Heavenly Father sure did know well in advance what His dear little children would be promoting.

Ezekiel 13: The whole chapter but specifically starting in verse 17

Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy People, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,

18 And say, 'Thus saith the Lord GOD; WOE to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchief upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of MY People, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?

19 AND will ye pollute ME among My People for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My People that hear your lies?

NOW what is the false prophecy.... the lies that are pass out for handfuls of barley and pieces of bread... you know pass that plate religions.

20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against our pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them FLY, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make the FLY.

21 Your kerchief also will I tear, and deliver My People out of your hand, and they shall no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:

23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver My People out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.''"

There is what the Heavenly Father had Ezekiel pen long before Paul wrote that couple of scriptures now used as doctrine as escape vehicle for those that can't fathom having to do as Paul said would need be done in Ephesians 6:10-24 11.. Put on the *WHOLE* armour of God,

that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Paul did not say some Satan incarnate he said the devil.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Now if all the 'good' believers are going to get zapped out of here why would Paul tell what is require to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand???????

58 posted on 10/08/2008 7:20:52 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Now if all the 'good' believers are going to get zapped out of here why would Paul tell what is require to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand???????

When is the evil day???

68 posted on 10/08/2008 7:55:37 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: Just mythoughts

I’ll just reply to this last paragraph. You can see some more comments of mine in Post #77.

You said — “Now if all the ‘good’ believers are going to get zapped out of here why would Paul tell what is require to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand???????”

Of course the Bible is written for all believers, in all ages, in all locations, and many of those believers are dead, while many others haven’t been born yet. The Bible is for all.

As a result, there are going to be believers who will be here and alive “at that time” that the Apostle Paul talks about — even with all the believers (and the dead in Christ) being “taken up” at the time Paul speaks of in Thessalonians.

Those believers who will be here, and who can heed Pauls words (at that time) will be the ones who will accept Christ during that time of the Great Tribulation. These are words for them, the ones who are here.

They did not accept Christ at the time of the “big taking up” , but did so later.

Remember, in Revelation we see that there is an angel sent out to give the everlasting Gospel to the entire world, to all peoples, nations, tribes and languages. This will result in many people being saved at that time, not to say anything about the 144,000 from the 12 tribes (listed in Revelation, tribe by tribe), who will be also proclaiming the Word of God at that time, around the world.


81 posted on 10/08/2008 10:23:22 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Just mythoughts

Depends on when you believe we’ll be zapped. I think Christians WILL go through much of the tribulation. I’m not a pretrib believer, but a pre-wrath believer. We will NOT go through the wrath of God, but we may go through the wrath of anti-christ.


139 posted on 10/08/2008 4:39:21 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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