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1 posted on 10/07/2008 7:13:22 AM PDT by Publius804
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2 posted on 10/07/2008 7:14:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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And yet a good portion of Jews in this country will vote for candidates that will hasten their destruction...


3 posted on 10/07/2008 7:16:54 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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Is it not the case that virtually no Italian Jews were rounded up by the Nazis? And that was partially because of the Pope and the local priests?


5 posted on 10/07/2008 7:31:46 AM PDT by ikka
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I’m sick of the lies and smears against this great and holy man. Pope Pious XII did more to help Jews escape Nazi slaughter than anyone else in the world. This Rabbi complains that he didn’t say enough...wasn’t vocal enough??? It’s not enough that the Holy Father helped nearly a million Jews escape the ovens? This Rabbi ought to be ashamed. I feel shame for him.


6 posted on 10/07/2008 7:33:19 AM PDT by pgkdan
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And liberals of today see nothing wrong with Ahmedinejad’s threat to wipe Israel off a map. Hilary Clinton can’t even be bothered to appear at a protest rally because a Republican woman politician might also be present.


7 posted on 10/07/2008 7:39:51 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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That IGNORANT Rabbi! ILL-MANNERED also!! ASS.....The Pope did MORE than most JEWS....IDIOT.

Hey Rabbi....read the New York Times, if nothing else.....at the time, they were reporting the great things that the Pope was doing to help the Jews, when your DEAR LEADER, FDR, was sending a boatload of Jews back to Europe to be KILLED....IDIOT! ILL MANNERED.

Diff between Catholics and Jews....forgive and forget.

8 posted on 10/07/2008 7:40:31 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Aside from the obvious reasons for not forgiving/forgetting about the Holocaust, there are fundamental theological reasons for the rabbi’s statement.

Forgiveness, in Mosaic Law requires three things:
1. Restitution
2. Public apology
3. The apology must be sincere

This is in sharp contrast to Christian theological positions on forgiveness.

Catholics require confession and penance imposed by the Church. The Catholic changes from the preceding Mosaic Law may well be a significant factor why the teachings of Jesus, who was a practicing Essene Jew, were to spread across the world while the original Jewish faith did not.

Under Catholic Canon Law, the old Mosaic Law requirement for a public apology became the private confession of the sin to the priest. As in the preceding Jewish faith, Catholicism also requires the confession to be sincere.

The Jewish requirement for restitution was retained - but with a major variation. Where the Jew had to offer restitution to the offended, the Catholic was assigned penance by the priest hearing the confession. The restitution did not have to go to the victim of the sin.

Protestants largely believe that the sacrifice made by Jesus atones for their sins IF they accept Jesus as Savior. No specific theological requirements are made because all men are sinners and thus all must accept Jesus as Savior to have their sins forgiven by God.

As I am not, by training, a theologian, I would enjoy a discussion of forgiveness with any who may have a more detailed knowledge of this question.


11 posted on 10/07/2008 7:53:58 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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"We cannot forget the sad and painful fact of how many, including great religious leaders, didn't raise their voice in the effort to save our brethren but chose to keep silent and helped secretly.

If this rabbi was starving and was given 20 dollars to buy food, he would come back later and condemn the man for not giving him 100 dollars. Sometimes I wonder if these rabbis purposely generate emnity in others.

14 posted on 10/07/2008 8:01:36 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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The first Jew to address a Vatican synod told the gathering yesterday Jews "cannot forgive and forget" that some major religious leaders during the Second World War did not speak out against the Holocaust.

Ping to read later

16 posted on 10/07/2008 9:03:24 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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How does this help? Does it bring any dead people back to life? Does it do anything to prevent future harm? Does it glorify God?

From my reading of the “Jewish Ethics” column on “Jewish World Review,” I believe the author of that column would tell this rabbi to shut up.


17 posted on 10/07/2008 9:55:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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I know this is going to sound harsh, but why are Jews still complaining about this over 60 years later? Do we hear the Poles go on talk shows and complain and ask for reparations from the Germans? How about the Ukranians in the Soviet Union? Or the Russians? Millions more of non-Jews were killed during WW2. Millions of Catholics in Poland. Any Jewish rabbi during WW2 stand up for the Polish Catholics???

It's one thing to remember, another thing to constantly complain about something like it was last week. No one, ESPECIALLY in Germany, needs to be reminded of the evil men who perpetrated World War 2, especially when we realize the much more univeral body of people attacked specifically by Nazidom... I sense this is just another publicity stunt. Is there really any point in complaining about a Pope who didn't "say enough", when in reality, neither did any other major political figure during WW2 about the "Jewish plight" until it was already way too late to matter. And where were the Jews "up in arms" over the Polish Catholics being slaughtered? Or the Russian Ukranians? Or the Armenians after the first World War? Etc...

What is the point of this???

Regards

25 posted on 10/07/2008 12:23:37 PM PDT by jo kus (You can't lose your faith? What about Luke 8:13...? God says you can...)
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Tell it Jews-In-Name-Only in Israel. If anyone needs to hear this it’s them.


26 posted on 10/07/2008 12:33:23 PM PDT by onedoug ( Barracuda!)
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The rabbi does seem a little rude given the good faith with which he had been invited to participate in the Synod. He could have made a rather more objective statement along the following lines:

Thanking Pope Pius XII for his work challenging the Nazis on “Mit Brennender Sorge”, and for the quiet work in hiding and protecting some Jews in WWII, but that one can regret that he did not speak out publicly more forcefully. Instead, he just repeats the one-sided slanted anti-Pius, anti-Catholic talking points abroad.


27 posted on 10/07/2008 1:18:49 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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One Rabbi who disagrees.


36 posted on 10/08/2008 5:55:19 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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