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To: Soliton

The veracity of the STURP scientists has never been invalidated. To the contrary. You are spinning misinformaiton.

What are your credentials? A “month” of internet data seeking? ...sites with a clear skeptic pov?

I’ve also read exhaustively about this ....much longer than a “month” I assure you...more like 15 years. I also know all about the Sue Benford and Joseph Marino data.

It is well known that the shroud was patched by nuns during the fire of 1532 and that molten silver also dropped on portions of it at that time as well . All documented.

Barry Swortz, the official STURP documenting photographer in 1988— maintians the best Shroud website is a devout JEW, never converted to Christainity and yet he firmly believes this is the first century burial cloth if the man Jesus. See below: from http://www.shroud.com/message.htm

Dear Guest:

It is with great pride and excitement that I welcome you to this web site. My name is Barrie M. Schwortz, and I am your host. As the Official Documenting Photographer for the Shroud of Turin Research Project, Inc., (STURP), I was privileged to be a member of the team that completed the first extensive scientific examination of the Shroud of Turin in 1978. Between October 8 and October 14, 1978, our team spent 120 hours with the Shroud of Turin.

In the earliest stages of my involvement , I wondered whether someone raised as an Orthodox Jew should be a part of such a “Christian” project. Even then I clearly understood that this was probably the most important relic of Christianity. In my heart I asked myself, “Should I be a part of this?” But my good friend and fellow team member, the late Don Lynn, of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab, was quick to remind me that the man in question was also a Jew. He urged me to “go to Turin and do the best job possible” and worry about “why and for what purpose” when I got back. He suggested that one day, I would know. I have never regretted taking his advice.

Now, over twenty years later, my “purpose” has become very clear. As the Documenting Photographer for the project, I felt a responsibility to complete what I began, and make available some of the 2700 photographs and other materials I collected during the four years of the project. And finally tell the story of what took place in my own words and from my perspective. Frankly, I am still Jewish, yet I believe the Shroud of Turin is the cloth that wrapped the man Jesus after he was crucified. That is not meant as a religious statement, but one based on my privileged position of direct involvement with many of the serious Shroud researchers in the world, and a thorough knowledge of the scientific data, unclouded by media exaggeration and hype. The only reason I am still involved with the Shroud of Turin is because knowing the unbiased facts continues to convince me of its authenticity. And I believe only a handful of people have really ever had access to all the unbiased facts. Most of the public has had to depend on the media, who always seem to sensationalize the story or reduce the facts to two minute sound bites from so-called experts who have “solved the mystery.” Very few of these “experts” ever took the time to research the subject, perhaps in part because so much of the information was hard to find.

So my purpose has become very clear. This website was built to give you, the viewer, an opportunity to have access to the same information that the researchers have used in their study of the Shroud. In fact, this site gives you access to the research itself in many cases.

Over the years, my photographs have been used by Shroud researchers and have appeared in many books, magazines, scientific journals, films and television documentaries. Now, this website allows you to examine those same high quality photographs of the Shroud, review scientific papers and articles, find books and other information, access Shroud resources, obtain Shroud materials and even interact directly with Shroud researchers. (Think of it as the first Interactive Center for Shroud Study in Cyberspace!) And all without anyone insisting that you accept their “theory” about the image on the Shroud of Turin. After all, intelligent people, given the facts, should be able to decide for themselves.

The goal is to make this website the definitive Internet resource for Shroud study in the 21st century. Your active participation is necessary for that goal to be achieved. So thank you for joining me. I hope you find the material on this site useful in your search to “see for yourself.”

Warmest regards,

Barrie M. Schwortz
1094 Highland Meadows Drive
Florissant, CO 80816, U.S.A


26 posted on 09/28/2008 9:42:15 AM PDT by dascallie
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To: dascallie

typo...STURP 1978


27 posted on 09/28/2008 9:43:50 AM PDT by dascallie
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To: dascallie
What are your credentials? A “month” of internet data seeking? ...sites with a clear skeptic pov?

I am much smarter than you and my one month is worth more than your 15 years. I will prove it.

Do you agree with Raymond N. Rogers theory?, "Rogers suspected contamination and, more important, reported that threads from the 1988 samples contain no vanillin, a compound in flax that gradually disappears. By his calculations, the shroud is 1,300 to 3,000 years old. Though it's possible the cloth dates from Jesus' lifetime, Rogers noted, actual connection to Jesus can never be proven."

29 posted on 09/28/2008 9:51:20 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: dascallie

Wow! Thank you for that link, dascallie. I didn’t know about that one.


38 posted on 09/28/2008 12:21:50 PM PDT by WVNan
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