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To: Dutchboy88
You spent a good deal of time trying to convince me that you don’t pray to Mary, but rather ask her to pray to God for you. Now, the Pope has a Prayer to Mary where he put the “...world in her hands.”

Zenit uses some creative language, but, yes, we ask Mary to pray for the whole world. In the same way many people pray for world peace every sunday in their local churches; are we not asking them to put the world in their hands?

Read the thread yourself; it is on FR. This sounds an awful lot like a request for her to exercise her “power” over the world and influence the affairs of men directly. “Help us.” “Have pity on us.” I am now sensing that you led me down a rosy path. If you were not aware of this perspective as the official position, why did you tell me that this was the way you Catholics viewed Mary? If you did know it, then why smear the edges? Disappointed.

Please do not think I have ever tried to mislead you - in no way was that my intention. But, I must say, we relate to Mary as a mother, for if we are to become one with Christ, we must see her as our mother. In asking for her intercession, sometimes we ask her to take pity on us. I'm not sure how this is any different than what we've been discussing..?

53 posted on 10/21/2008 5:35:54 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum

Evidently the distinction is clear enough in the minds of the rest of the believing community to label this “mariolotry”. Mary is not your Mother, she was the woman selected to bear the physical manifestation of Jesus on earth. We are nowhere in the Scriptures directed to pray to her; on the contrary it is noted that there was a time when she was even snubbed by Jesus. Luke 8:20,21. The error of the RCC tradition continues to send the wwong message to its members and misstates the Gospel to the world.


54 posted on 10/22/2008 7:33:42 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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