Posted on 09/21/2008 9:24:38 AM PDT by mbeeber
Planet X is a star.
If a comet should hit the caldera at yellowatone or the Jimez Caldera near Los Alamos and the Hardon Collider could simultaneously inject dark matter particles into the center of the earth - thus producing expansion and earthquakes and vocanic eruptions worldwide - then you might see some serious environmental bling. Otherwise - it’s fear-mongering pipe dreams for the end-of-times crowd who own defeat lock, stock and barrell.
Hello,
The intent of my article “Scientific Scenario Of A Comet’s Impact And The Wormwood Star Prophecy” is not fear mongering, but rather a very reasonable correlation of the scenario posted by the Hooper Museum of Otawa, Canada (http://hoopermuseum.earthsci.carleton.ca/impacts/atmchg.htm) and the “bittering of waters” by the Wormwood Star prophecied in Rev. 8:10-11. The fear mongering you imply may only be your subjective response to this correlation.
Hmmm, it seems that by ignoring the Bible and simply looking for a "plausible" scientific explanation you are missing the entire purpose of the vision.
Rather than speculate as to the meaning of the "star" or wormwood, why not just read the very next chapter of Revelation? It begins:
1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.Here we have a vision of a star with a key. (The original Greek syntax shows that connection as well as the pattern established in the other trumpet visions.) That should be the first clue that perhaps "star" is not to be taken literally as some mere astronomical phenomena.
It might also be helpful to investigate the parallels in the Exodus story with the plagues in Revelation, in this particular case the plague upon the waters. In Exodus the waters of Egypt were turned to blood and rendered undrinkable. The entire Exodus story indicates this all happen miraculously and not by some natural cause.
Similarly, in Revelation we see the divine hand upon the land. Rev. 8:7 speaks of hail mixed with blood and v. 8 where we are told a third of the sea turn to blood. (The recapitulation of the vision is given as the third bowl in Rev. 16:3.)
Also, "stars" are often used to symbolize individual beings or unseen things. Jesus is called the "morning star". The brothers of Joseph are seen as stars in his vision (Gen. 37:9). In Daniel 8 we see a vision of stars identified with the hosts of heaven that were cast down to the earth.
So "stars" in Revelation are the personal agents of God sent to pour out His wrath on the disobedient.
With respect to wormwood, again, a careful study of the rest of the Bible will reveal the meaning of the vision. In places like Jeremiah 23:15, God says that He will feed them wormwood and make them drink the water of gall. Did God literally do this? Of course not. The image is meant to convey the bitterness of the people because they were forsaking the God of their fathers. It was a warning to turn from the false prophets and return to their one true God.
Careful examination of Scripture, not technology-inspired speculation, is what will help to understand the images and symbols in the book of Revelation. The parallels of the plagues in Revelation with the plagues in Exodus is a strong indicator that the judgments in Revelation were intended for the nation of Israel who apostatized for the covenant when they rejected Christ and turned Him over to the Romans for crucifixion. They killed the son of the Landowner, and Gods judgment was meted out against them.
36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; (Matt. 23)In AD70, the armies of Rome marched against Jerusalem and its inhabitants, sacked the city and destroyed the temple so the words of Christ were fulfilled, "not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." (Matt. 24:2, cf Luke 21:20)
Ping to #44.
Black Moon
(Emerson/Lake/Palmer)
Everyday I see a new cloud coming
There’s one more hole in space
Everytime I walk across the street
I feel the gas blowing in my face
We never learn even deserts burn
And all politicians lie
They won’t do nothin’
‘Till we reach high noon
Black Moon
Ain’t nobody gonna walk on water
When it falls like acid rain
Nobody gonna fake you out
Every poison stains
We’re all stuck here
Right in the middle
We never call the tune
They won’t do nothin’
‘Till we reach high noon
Black Moon
In the night see the red sky burning
There’s fire on the mountain
Oil slicks on the sea
Black Moon is rising
How long will it be
Just take a look around the world
The future never waits
We’re skating on the thin ice
And we’re in the hands of fate
What we need’s a little re-direction
To find our blue lagoon
You know it wouldn’t come
A moment to soon
Black Moon’s
Fear is in their eyeblack moon
“Rev. 8:10-11: The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood.”
This says nothing about a tail. It clearly refers to a “star”, which would certainly blaze. The smallest star we know of is thousands of times bigger than Earth and would destroy Earth even by coming close, yet this one hits Earth.
Only by adding a tail (which is not in the original) can we warp this around to “comet” so that it begins to fit our current world view and knowlege of the space around us.
A star falling from the sky fits the world view of when the book was written, though.
Acid rain comes from burning high-sulfur fuels and from volcanic gas containing lots of sulfur. There is no indication that a comet would have sulfur in it.
I’m going to stick to the original text, in which a star called Wormwood hits Earth, earth survives, and the waters become bitter for some reason not explained.
The end times judgment of Revelation will be a world wide judgment.
No, not at all. The question is what is the real event that is represented by the imagery of wormwood.
The end times judgment of Revelation will be a world wide judgment.
I'm not a futurist. I believe that most of the events represented by the symbols and images in Revelation were fulfilled in the AD70 sack of Jerusalem and destruction of the old covenant temple, the punishment brought against apostate Israel.
when was Revelation written?
I read the book by Arthur C. Clark. really liked it. but it is fiction. I have heard all my long life about bible prophecy. the most recent was about the year 2000. I said it will be just another day, and I was right. oops, I take that back. some friends said that in ‘05 there will be a horrible war in Israel culminating in ‘07 or ‘08. they were convinced of this, because it says so in the bible. um,,didn’t happen. I have 2 questions: when do I run for cover, and can you tell me of any bible prophecy that has already occurred.
There is considerable scholarship that places the date of the vision in the AD67-68 timeframe. I'm comfortable with that scholarship and date range. I believe it fits the text well.
See Kenneth Gentry's Before Jerusalem Fell. Dating the Book of Revelation.
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