[Dr. Eckleburg]

At the very least, pay her the homage she is due for without Mary, there would not have been a Savior.

Ya think? So God could not have looked around and chosen another young Jewish girl to give birth to the infant Jesus?

Do you realize what you're saying? Mary was actually MORE important than Christ because without Christ, Mary could still have existed, but "without Mary, there would not have been a Savior."

Keep it coming. Anyone with a Bible can see through these dark errors.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your views, dear brothers and sisters in Christ!

Dr. Eckleburg, I just wanted to comment briefly on the post you highlighted which said:

At the very least, pay her the homage she is due for without Mary, there would not have been a Savior.

No one and no thing can thwart the will of God.

And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. - Luke 19:40

Fulfilled prophesy recorded in Scripture stands as proof that the will of God is irresistible.

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken [it], I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed [it], I will also do it. - Isaiah 46:10-11

And is always irresistible,

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. - Revelation 4:11

To God be the glory!

[guitarplayer1953]

One day you will stand before the throne and Jesus will ask you why have you evelvated my mother above Me? With your line of thinking then Adam is above everyone even God for without him there would not be a human race.

[NYer]

Do you realize what you're saying? Mary was actually MORE important than Christ because without Christ, Mary could still have existed, but "without Mary, there would not have been a Savior."

You said it; not I.

You are knowledgable in Scripture but, for the benefit of others, what is the angel's announcement?

Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." Then the angel departed from her.
Luke 1:38

Mary could have said "Sorry, I am not interested" .. end of story. Without her fiat, there would not have been a Jesus born at that time. And, no, God did not have a backup plan ... because He knew her response before it was uttered. In His infinite goodness though, he showed great respect for Mary by leaving the decision up to her.

Anyone with a Bible can see through these dark errors.

A baseless statement.

[HarleyD]

I haven't read the entire thread but this is a rather remarkable statement:

The one instance when a "saint" is spoken to, Samuel in 1 Samuel 28:7-19, Samuel was not exactly happy to be disturbed. It is plainly clear that praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking someone here on earth to pray for you.

I'm rather fond of Samuel. I would point out that he certainly was not happy and was not about to "pray" for Saul from the grave. Instead he offered judgment. It should be recognized that Samuel is well quoted for his constant desire to pray for others:

1Sa 12:23 "Moreover, as for me, far be it from me that I should sin against the LORD by ceasing to pray for you; but I will instruct you in the good and right way.

He recognized it is sin for us not to pray for one another while here on earth. Once he died, he offered no prayers. I'm not sure what the author is trying to prove but he certainly can't prove it with Samuel.

[Lord_Calvinus]

***Keep it coming. Anyone with a Bible can see through these dark errors.***

The effect is to deny the eternal existence of Christ as Savior. Somehow, I doubt that the Catholic church denies even such a fundamental thing so I suspect it is just Catholic YOPIS.