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1 Timothy 2:5 declares, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father, "Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them" (Hebrews 7:25).
With Jesus Himself interceding for us, why would we need Mary or the saints to intercede for us? Who would God listen to more closely than His Son?
Romans 8:26-27 describes the Holy Spirit interceding for us. With the 2nd and 3rd members of the Trinity already interceding for us before the Father in Heaven, what possible need could there be to have Mary or the saints interceding for us?
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. . . AHHHHHHH . . . what need?
The political power-mongering "need" on the part of the bureaucratic magicsterical to demote The Son; The Spirit . . . in behalf of exalting the earth-mother/Mary Caricature/Goddess/Queen of Heaven blasphemous image/construct/fantasy.
The Mary Caricature . . . about which and over which the magicsterical has full control--can be manipulated to any ends imaginable for purely political, bureaucratic, power-mongering, financial . . . whatever "needs."
Besides, it seductively fills that foundational human "need" to be "in charge of . . . " "in !!!!CONTROL!!!! of"
each individual's own RELIGIOSITY--DESTINY--SALVATION. !!!!CONTROL!!!! All the 2 year old mommy manipulators LOVE IT.
Coo just right; wail just right; look goo-goo eyes just right; adore just right; snuggle just right; . . . and the cookie's yours! From THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, no less. [Barf.]
Clever idea.
. . . from the pit.
Knowing, therefore, what "queen" means, I salute the Queen of Heaven, the Mother of the Lord of Heaven and Earth by whom was not anything made that was made.
Is the title and the "cult" capable of perversion? Clearly. Water can be polluted. That some water is impure does not keep me, by the gracious gifts (or charisms) of God, from drinking pure water. That some who salute the Queen of Heaven do so wrongly, even disastrously, does not keep me from saluting her.
Oh, but maybe I am out of place here. This, evidently is not about reasoned discussion between brethren but about some other activity.
Well, that reason and discussion can be perverted is no reason to abandon them. Since all wisdom comes from God, clearly there is no "need" to look for it in these discussions, right?
“And the Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come’, and let him that heareth say, ‘Come’, and let him that is athirst come, and whosever will, let him take the water of life freely.” -—Revelation 22:17.
"957...Exactly as Christian communion among our fellow pilgrims brings us closer to Christ, so our communion with the saints joins us to Christ, from whom as from its fountain and head issues all grace, and the life of the People of God itself"
How is this any different than necromancy? "Communing with the dead?" Astounding paganism under the cover of theology. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)
958 - Communion with the dead. "In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Church in its pilgrim members, from the very earliest days of the Christian religion, has honored with great respect the memory of the dead; and 'because it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins' she offers her suffrages for them."498 Our prayer for them is capable not only of helping them, but also of making their intercession for us effective.
Catch that? By praying to and for dead people, we can not only help get them out of purgatory sooner and into heaven quicker, but we are praying in our own self-interest because our prayers actually make "their intercession for us effective"!?!
"957...Exactly as Christian communion among our fellow pilgrims brings us closer to Christ, so our communion with the saints joins us to Christ, from whom as from its fountain and head issues all grace, and the life of the People of God itself"
How is this any different than necromancy? "Communing with the dead?" Astounding paganism under the cover of theology. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)
958 - Communion with the dead. "In full consciousness of this communion of the whole Mystical Body of Jesus Christ, the Church in its pilgrim members, from the very earliest days of the Christian religion, has honored with great respect the memory of the dead; and 'because it is a holy and a wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins' she offers her suffrages for them."498 Our prayer for them is capable not only of helping them, but also of making their intercession for us effective.
Catch that? By praying to and for dead people, we can not only help get them out of purgatory sooner and into heaven quicker, but we are praying in our own self-interest because our prayers actually make "their intercession for us effective"!?!