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To: kosta50
Respect for Unborn Human Life: The Church’s Constant Teaching (PDF)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: “Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law” (No. 2271).

In response to those who say this teaching has changed or is of recent origin, here are the facts:

For more information: Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Declaration on Procured Abortion (1974), nos. 6-7; John R. Connery, S.J., Abortion: The Development of the Roman Catholic Perspective (1977); Germain Grisez, Abortion: The Myths, the Realities, and the Arguments (1970), Chapter IV; U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, On Embryonic Stem Cell Research (2008); Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae (1995), nos. 61-2.
16 posted on 09/03/2008 11:56:25 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS; Kolokotronis; StAthanasiustheGreat
Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion

It was not until Pope Leo III (1886) that any abortion that caused death to the fetus was outlawed as homicide at any stage. The Church obviously considered abortion as sin (because it was seen as a form of "contraception" for unwanted pregnancies). In the 8th century, the Church in England provided for life-long excommunication for oral sex but only 120 days for abortion.

I am not defending Pelosi & Co. I am on the record condemning her statement. I am just showing where the confusion comes in. Thanks to St. Augustine, the western Church adopted Aristotelianin (pagn) belief that an "unformed" infant is not human. The West did not consider (depending on the gender of the infant 40/90 day old) fetal abortion as homicide. The East did all along, because that comes from acient Judaism (I am not sure how the Jews view abortion today).

You can't use "insufficient" knowledge of science as justification for this because, as your Catechism asserts, the Church from the beginning condemned abortion as murder. It was only the West that began to differentiate between killing and not killing based on pagan science.

Blaming the Septuagint for St. Augustine's mistake is also a rather unimpressive argument given that the Orthodox Church uses Septuagint as the Old Testament (as the early Church did), and that it never drew Augsutinian-like conclusions from it, but rather rejected Augustinian beliefs in most cases as something alien to the early Church.

18 posted on 09/04/2008 8:54:57 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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