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Brother Roger of Taize -- Catholic, Protestant, what? [remained a Reformed Protestant to his death]
America - The National Catholic Weekly ^ | 2008-08-26 | Austen Ivereigh

Posted on 08/26/2008 8:38:24 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

When Fr Roger Schutz, founder of the ecumenical monastic community at Taizé, in south-east France, attended the April 2005 funeral of Pope John Paul II, he received Communion from Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. This raised a few eyebrows at the time -- Shutz was a Protestant pastor -- and gave rise to speculation that "Brother Roger", as he was always known, had secretly converted to Catholicism. This idea was supported by what subsequently came to light: that Schutz had repeatedly received Eucharistic communion from John Paul II and received the Eucharist every morning at the Catholic Mass in Taizé.

The question remained unanswered following his appalling death a few months after John Paul II's funeral at the hands of a knife-wielding, mentally disturbed woman during evening prayer in the church at Taizé.

The community was at pains to deny that the 90-year-old monk had secretly converted; but this did not put to an end to the speculation that he had. For if he hadn't been received into full communion, why was a Protestant allowed to do what canon law forbids? And if he had been received by Rome, it might have been ecumenically political to conceal the fact -- which would explain the community's denial.

Now Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the Vatican's Christian unity council, has shed some light on the question, in an interview with L'Osservatore Romano. Sandro Magister posts the story -- and the interview in full -- in English here.

Kasper denies that Fr. Schutz "formally" adhered to the Catholic Church. He never left the Protestantism into which he was born. But, says the German cardinal, Brother Roger gradually "enriched" his faith with the pillars of the Catholic faith, particularly the role of Mary in salvation history, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and the "the ministry of unity exercised by the bishop of Rome." In 1980, Brother Roger told a meeting of young adult Christians that “I have found my own Christian identity by reconciling within myself the faith of my origins with the Mystery of the Catholic faith, without breaking fellowship with anyone".

It was in response to this "enrichment" that the Catholic Church "accepted that he take Communion at the Eucharist", says Kasper.

There is no mention of a special dispensation, either de facto or de iure. Here, therefore, is a Protestant being admitted to the Catholic eucharistic table (one presided by popes, no less) without actually being admitted into full Communion. The Protestant in question was clearly quite exceptional. But the case is surely significant for others. Anglo-Catholics in the Church of England, for example, would be delighted to tick the same boxes marked "Mary", "Real Presence", “primacy of Peter” and so on; should they, too, be admitted to Catholic Eucharist?

That is what I find particularly intriguing about this. It opens up a Pandora’s Box. Surely, if Popes John Paul II and Benedict XV were worried about the border-blurring message which pictures of Brother Roger receiving Communion would send out, they would have told him not to do so in public.

Or put another way: the fact they didn't means they must be sending another kind of message.

But what?

So while at least we know for sure that Brother Roger did not "convert", other questions seem to take off. Let's see if there are any answers in this snip from the Kasper interview:

As the years passed, the faith of the prior of Taizé was progressively enriched by the patrimony of faith of the Catholic Church. According to his own testimony, it was with reference to the mystery of the Catholic faith that he understood some of the elements of the faith, such as the role of the Virgin Mary in salvation history, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharistic gifts and the apostolic ministry in the Church, including the ministry of unity exercised by the Bishop of Rome. In response to this, the Catholic Church had accepted that he take communion at the Eucharist, as he did every morning in the large church at Taizé. Brother Roger also received communion several times from the hands of Pope John Paul II, who had become friends with him from the days of the Second Vatican Council and who was well acquainted with his personal journey with respect to the Catholic Church. In this sense, there was nothing secret or hidden in the attitude of the Catholic Church, neither at Taizé or in Rome. During the funeral of Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Ratzinger only repeated what had already been done before him in Saint Peter’s Basilica, at the time of the late Pope. There was nothing new or premeditated in the Cardinal’s act.

In a talk he gave in the presence of Pope John Paul II in Saint Peter’s Basilica during the young adult European meeting in Rome in 1980, the prior of Taizé described his own personal journey and his Christian identity with these words: “I have found my own Christian identity by reconciling within myself the faith of my origins with the Mystery of the Catholic faith, without breaking fellowship with anyone.” In fact, Brother Roger never wanted to break “with anyone,” for reasons which were essentially linked to his own desire for unity and to the ecumenical vocation of the Taizé Community. For that reason, he preferred not to use certain expressions like “conversion” or “formal” membership to describe his communion with the Catholic Church. In his conscience, he had entered into the mystery of the Catholic faith like someone who grows into it, without having to “abandon” or “break” with what he had received and lived beforehand. The meaning of some theological or canonical terms could be discussed endlessly. Out of respect for the faith-journey of Brother Roger, however, it would be preferable not to apply to him categories which he himself considered inappropriate for his experience and which, moreover, the Catholic Church never wanted to impose upon him.



TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: b16; benedictxvi; brotherroger; brroger; catholic; ecumenism; jpii; kasper; pope; taize; vatican
The community was at pains to deny that the 90-year-old monk had secretly converted; but this did not put to an end to the speculation that he had. For if he hadn't been received into full communion, why was a Protestant allowed to do what canon law forbids? And if he had been received by Rome, it might have been ecumenically political to conceal the fact -- which would explain the community's denial....

Kasper denies that Fr. Schutz "formally" adhered to the Catholic Church. He never left the Protestantism into which he was born. But, says the German cardinal, Brother Roger gradually "enriched" his faith with the pillars of the Catholic faith, particularly the role of Mary in salvation history, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and the "the ministry of unity exercised by the bishop of Rome." In 1980, Brother Roger told a meeting of young adult Christians that “I have found my own Christian identity by reconciling within myself the faith of my origins with the Mystery of the Catholic faith, without breaking fellowship with anyone".

It was in response to this "enrichment" that the Catholic Church "accepted that he take Communion at the Eucharist", says Kasper.

There is no mention of a special dispensation, either de facto or de iure. Here, therefore, is a Protestant being admitted to the Catholic eucharistic table (one presided by popes, no less) without actually being admitted into full Communion. The Protestant in question was clearly quite exceptional. But the case is surely significant for others....So while at least we know for sure that Brother Roger did not "convert", other questions seem to take off....

Thread presented as a followup to one earlier this week that quotes from the same interview this one does.

1 posted on 08/26/2008 8:38:24 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
If he acknowledged the canonical primacy of Peter and believed in the real presence of the Lord in the Eucharist, Brother Roger died a Catholic.

The following is a very misleading sentence:

Here, therefore, is a Protestant being admitted to the Catholic eucharistic table (one presided by popes, no less) without actually being admitted into full Communion.

(1) If you have received the Eucharist at the hands of the Pope - i.e. the individual who has the responsibility of deciding who is and is not in communion with the Church - then you are in "full communion."

There is no half communion.

(2) If you have accepted the authority of the Petrine ministry, you're not a Protestant, pretty much by definition.

2 posted on 08/26/2008 8:45:54 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Alex Murphy

I would also point out that Brother Roger named a professed Catholic to be his successor at Taize.


3 posted on 08/26/2008 8:49:50 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Alex Murphy
Brother Roger of Taize ....

Don't Taize me, Bro!

4 posted on 08/26/2008 8:50:33 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Barack Obama--the first black Jimmy Carter.)
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The all come home to HIS church, God rest his soul.


5 posted on 08/26/2008 8:59:11 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: Alex Murphy
How about the following response:

If one believes in the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, is able to sincerely say Amen to the Eucharist prayer, and acknowledges unworthiness at the Domine, Non sum dignus, then who dares to deny what Christ has given. The Eucharist is a healing bread and not a reward for being good and following the rules. Lawyers, especially canon lawyers be damned! and who among you will say that another is unworthy - he(she) is unworthy, but not me, I could have cast the first stone had I been there.

Worthy of discussion, is it not?

6 posted on 08/26/2008 9:06:35 AM PDT by VidMihi ("In fide, unitas; in dubiis, libertas; in omnibus, caritas.")
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To: wideawake
There is no half communion.

Your Church teaches otherwise.
7 posted on 08/26/2008 9:41:51 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc
Your Church teaches otherwise.

No, it does not.

8 posted on 08/26/2008 9:46:20 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: VidMihi
It is true that God is the true judge of us all but remember when a Catholic priest gave holy communion to Bill Clinton,in a public Mass? Then we have all these Catholic politicians who support abortion,an intrinsically evil act,receiving holy communion. If indeed brother Taize believed in the faith of the church,especially Jesus's presence in the Eucharist,why not embrace the holy mother church in public in that belief. By embracing the church he could have showed others the road to the same sharing of our Lord in holy communion as well. I remember when I first truly understood the real presence of Jesus in the holy Eucharist,it was exciting and joyful and a great gift of faith to those of us who truly believe. Today there are too many Catholics who do not believe in the presence of Jesus is the holy Eucharist. But also it makes me more of aware of my sinful ways and the need to repent and welcome God's grace, full of mercy and my need for him. Matthew 7:6 Douay-Rheims Bible Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you. You see I am a convert to the Catholic faith,now what I know and believe I couldn't just say I believe and then go back to another church. Brother Taize could very well be a very holy man and may God bless him,I just find his actions of believing confusing but then I have a problem with those who confess to be Christian and support abortion and the normalcy of homosexuality. My hero is Saint John the Baptist,he was humble man but he wasn't PC in preaching the truth of the Gospel,adultery is a sin. Too many preachers today don't speak of sin and the need to repent,John was courageous and love of God came first in all things,even to his death.
9 posted on 08/26/2008 10:12:35 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: VidMihi
It is true that God is the true judge of us all but remember when a Catholic priest gave holy communion to Bill Clinton,in a public Mass? Then we have all these Catholic politicians who support abortion,an intrinsically evil act,receiving holy communion. If indeed brother Taize believed in the faith of the church,especially Jesus's presence in the Eucharist,why not embrace the holy mother church in public in that belief. By embracing the church he could have showed others the road to the same sharing of our Lord in holy communion as well.
10 posted on 08/26/2008 10:34:49 AM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: wideawake
CCC 838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."

So the Church does teach that a "less than full" communion exists.
11 posted on 08/26/2008 11:04:46 AM PDT by armydoc
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