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http://lifeongoldplates.blogspot.com/2008/08/bushmans-introduction-to-joseph-smith.html ^ | August 14, 2008 | Richard Bushman

Posted on 08/15/2008 1:47:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

August 14, 2008

Bushman's Introduction to "Joseph Smith and His Critics" Seminar

The following is Richard Bushman's introduction to the 2008 summer seminar, “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” given July 29, 2008. I also have a poor mp3 recording of the paper and in the next week or so I plan on blogging any additions Bushman made in reading the paper to the group. For my thoughts on the seminar in general, see "Preliminary Thoughts on the 2008 Bushman Seminar," and "Follow-up Thoughts on the 2008 Bushman Seminar." For notes on the presentations themselves, see Juvenile Instructor's "Notes on the 2008 Bushman Seminar," parts one and two.

Introduction
Richard Bushman

Increasingly teachers and church leaders at all levels are approached by Latter-day Saints who have lost confidence in Joseph Smith and the basic miraculous events of church history. They doubt the First Vision, the Book of Mormon, many of Joseph’s revelations, and much besides. They fall into doubt after going on the Internet and finding shocking information about Joseph Smith based on documents and facts they had never heard before. A surprising number had not known about Joseph Smith’s plural wives. They are set back by differences in the various accounts of the First Vision. They find that Egyptologists do not translate the Abraham manuscripts the way Joseph Smith did, making it appear that the Book of Abraham was a fabrication. When they come across this information in a critical book or read it on one of the innumerable critical Internet sites, they feel as if they had been introduced to a Joseph Smith and a Church history they had never known before. They undergo an experience like viewing the famous picture of a beautiful woman who in a blink of an eye turns into an old hag. Everything changes. What are they to believe?

Often church leaders, parents, and friends, do not understand the force of this alternate view. Not knowing how to respond, they react defensively. They are inclined to dismiss all the evidence as anti-Mormon or of the devil. Stop reading these things if they upset you so much, the inquirer is told. Or go back to the familiar formula: scriptures, prayer, church attendance.

The troubled person may have been doing all of these things sincerely, perhaps even desperately. He or she feels the world is falling apart. Everything these inquirers put their trust in starts to crumble. They want guidance more than ever in their lives, but they don’t seem to get it. The facts that have been presented to them challenge almost everything they believe. People affected in this way may indeed stop praying; they don’t trust the old methods because they feel betrayed by the old system. Frequently they are furious. On their missions they fervently taught people about Joseph Smith without knowing any of these negative facts. Were they taken advantage of? Was the Church trying to fool them for its own purposes?
These are deeply disturbing questions. They shake up everything. Should I stay in the Church? Should I tell my family? Should I just shut up and try to get along? Who can help me?

At this point, these questioners go off in various directions. Some give up on the Church entirely. They find another religion or, more likely these days, abandon religion altogether. Without their familiar Mormon God, they are not sure there is any God at all. They become atheist or agnostic. Some feel the restrictions they grew up with no longer apply. The strength has been drained out of tithing, the Word of Wisdom, and chastity. They partly welcome the new freedom of their agnostic condition. Now they can do anything they please without fear of breaking the old Mormon rules. The results may not be happy for them or their families.

Others piece together a morality and a spiritual attitude that stops them from declining morally, but they are not in an easy place. When they go to church, , they are not comfortable. Sunday School classes and Sacrament meeting talks about Joseph Smith and the early church no longer ring true. How can these people believe these “fairy tales,” the inquirers ask. Those who have absorbed doses of negative material live in two minds: their old church mind which now seems naive and credulous, and their new enlightened mind with its forbidden knowledge learned on the internet and from critical books.

A friend who is in this position described the mindset of the disillusioned member this way:

“Due to the process of learning, which they have gone through, these [two-minded] LDS often no longer accept the church as the only true one (with the only true priesthood authority and the only valid sacred ordinances), but they see it as a Christian church, in which good, inspired programs are found as well as failure and error. They no longer consider inspiration, spiritual and physical healing, personal and global revelation limited to the LDS church. In this context, these saints may attend other churches, too, where they might have spiritual experiences as well. They interpret their old spiritual experiences differently, understanding them as testimonies from God for them personally, as a result of their search and efforts, but these testimonies don’t necessarily have to be seen as a confirmation that the LDS church is the only true one.

“Since the social relationships between them and other ward (or stake) members suffer (avoidance, silence, even mobbing) because of their status as heretics, which is usually known via gossip, and since the extent of active involvement and range of possible callings are reduced because of their nonconformity in various areas, there is a risk that they end up leaving the church after all, because they are simply ignored by the majority of the other members.”

He then offers a recommendation: 

“It is necessary that the church not only shows more support and openness to these ‘apostates’ but also teaches and advises all members, bishops, stake presidents etc., who usually don’t know how to deal with such a situation in terms of organizational and ecclesiastical questions and – out of insecurity – fail to treat the critical member with the necessary love and respect that even a normal stranger would receive.”

Those are the words of someone who has lost belief in many of the fundamentals and is working out a new relationship to the Church. Other shaken individuals recover their belief in the basic principles and events but are never quite the same as before. Their knowledge, although no longer toxic, gives them a new perspective. They tend to be more philosophic and less dogmatic about all the stories they once enjoyed. Here are some of the characteristics of people who have passed through this ordeal but managed to revive most of their old beliefs.

1. They often say they learned the Prophet was human. They don’t expect him to be a model of perfect deportment as they once thought. He may have taken a glass of wine from time to time, or scolded his associates, or even have made business errors. They see his virtues and believe in his revelations but don’t expect perfection.

2. They also don’t believe he was led by revelation in every detail. They see him as learning gradually to be a prophet and having to feel his way at times like most Church members. In between the revelations, he was left to himself to work out the methods of complying with the Lord’s commandments. Sometimes he had to experiment until he found the right way.

3. These newly revived Latter-day Saints also develop a more philosophical attitude toward history. They come to see (like professional historians) that facts can have many interpretations. Negative facts are not necessarily as damning as they appear at first sight. Put in another context along side other facts, they do not necessarily destroy Joseph Smith’s reputation.

4. Revived Latter-day Saints focus on the good things they derive from their faith–the community of believers, the comforts of the Holy Spirit, the orientation toward the large questions of life, contact with God, moral discipline, and many others. They don’t want to abandon these good things. Starting from that point of desired belief, they are willing to give Joseph Smith and the doctrine a favorable hearing. They may not be absolutely certain about every item, but they are inclined to see the good and the true in the Church.

At the heart of this turmoil is the question of trust. Disillusioned Latter-day Saints feel their trust has been betrayed. They don’t know whom to trust. They don’t dare trust the old feelings that once were so powerful, nor do they trust church leaders. They can only trust the new knowledge they have acquired. Those who come back to the Church are inclined to trust their old feelings. Their confidence in the good things they knew before is at least partially restored. But they sort out the goodness that seems still vital from the parts that now seem no longer tenable. Knowledge not only has given them a choice, it has compelled them to choose. They have to decide what they really believe. In the end, many are more stable and convinced than before. They feel better prepared to confront criticism openly, confident they can withstand it.

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The members of the seminar on “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” a group of Religious Education and CES faculty who met at BYU for six weeks in the summer of 2008, are among those who have known Latter-day Saints in this state of confusion and doubt. We have had many opportunities to talk to questioners about their problems and admit that we have often fallen short in our answers. We came together in hopes of learning to do better. Besides gathering information on a series of specific issues, we have discussed how best to deal with questioning Saints. What way of speaking is most likely to win their trust and convince them we have their best interests at heart?

We began by agreeing that criticisms of Joseph Smith should not be dismissed as foolish or purely evil. The negative attacks that disturb first-time readers are usually based on facts, not merely prejudiced fabrications. To play down the force of the criticism, we believe, only convinces the seekers that we do not understand. We appear to be sweeping trouble under the rug. They may have been devastated by a criticism; we must show that we understand why. Consequently, the seminar took as its first principle to state the negative argument as fully and accurately as we can. We try not to minimize the difficulty or prejudice the case against the critic. In no other way can we persuade the doubters that we understand the problem.

Secondly, we try to avoid dogmatic answers. Rather than replace the dogmatic negative attacks of the critics with our own dogmatic answers, we attempt to show that a more positive interpretation is possible. Critics often claim that Joseph’s sins were so egregious as to utterly disqualify him as a prophet. We can understand their viewpoint, but we think there is another side to the story. Rather than destroy the critics, we want to loosen their grip. In the long run, we believe this approach will persuade questioners more effectively than claims to certainty where none is possible. We believe in stating our own strong convictions about the church as a whole, but we do not to pretend to perfect knowledge about complex historical questions.

We know that airing criticisms troubles many Latter-day Saints. Like most Church teachers, the members of the seminar do not want to draw attention to questions that will only unsettle faithful members. But we also feel that silence is not the answer. The absence of instruction troubles questioners more than anything. They feel they have been betrayed because they came through their Church classes ignorant of the devastating information now a few clicks away on the internet. The gaps in their education leave them disillusioned and angry.

To counteract this lack of preparation, the seminar members have taken as our motto the scripture that begins: “As all have not faith, teach one another” (D&C 88:118). We are encouraged by the scriptural recognition that not all have faith, and by the appealing remedy, “teach one another.” For many questioners, loneliness is the heart of the problems. No one seems to understand. We are enjoined by this scripture to find these seekers and bring them into a fellowship of inquiry. We hope that our papers will help Church teachers create safe havens where questions may be asked and answers explored--where we can teach one another.
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Richard L. Bushman is a Professor Emeritus of History, Columbia University, the current holder of the Howard W. Hunter visiting professorship in Mormon studies at Claremont Graduate University, and author of the recent biography Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling

 


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This seems to refute the oft-repeated message that all those who leave the LDS church have done so because they are, in the words of President Monson, "the less active, the offended, the critical, the transgressor".

We have discussed many of these points here, and also these: “Since the social relationships between them and other ward (or stake) members suffer (avoidance, silence, even mobbing) because of their status as heretics, which is usually known via gossip, and since the extent of active involvement and range of possible callings are reduced because of their nonconformity in various areas, there is a risk that they end up leaving the church after all, because they are simply ignored by the majority of the other members.”

Perhaps readers here on FR who have been bombarded by accusations that those posting here in opposition to mormon proselytizing are "liars and bigots", will learn differently from this article.

1 posted on 08/15/2008 1:47:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; svcw; Enosh; ...

Ping


2 posted on 08/15/2008 1:48:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: greyfoxx39
One of the main points in the article seems to be the Prophet Joseph Smith. Truly, the entire Mormon Church stands upon this man and his reliability.

It seems to me that this Mormon apologist is trying to say that Joseph Smith was a fallible human being as well as a Prophet. While I do accept that all men are fallible and sinful, and that God can use sinful humans to work for His good, I cannot accept that God would use an adulterer, bank fraud, habitual liar, con man etc, etc.

I truly don't expect perfection even from a prophet. But “not perfect” or “makes mistakes” or “errors like an other human being” is a far, far cry from the disgraceful human being that Joseph Smith, by all historical accounts, appears to be.

3 posted on 08/15/2008 2:00:21 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: greyfoxx39
How about the ones disappointed in their trip to the Nephi ruins...
4 posted on 08/15/2008 2:01:40 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: ejonesie22

Nephite ruins? Geez, it would certainly take a while to list all of the BoM ruins that have been recorded.


5 posted on 08/15/2008 2:11:52 PM PDT by nesnah (Expression with an attitude - www.polistic.com)
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To: ejonesie22
I see we have new terminology..."Revived Latter-Day Saints".

That makes one wonder if the resistance to the information regarding the beginnings of the mormon church being made public is being spurred by these "revived" ones.

"They tend to be more philosophic and less dogmatic about all the stories they once enjoyed.".....kind of sounds like sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "la la la la la" when brought face to face with the real Joseph Smith and the real Brigham Young through church publications.

6 posted on 08/15/2008 2:14:26 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: nesnah

Yes, a much shorter list would be the ones that have actually been found...


7 posted on 08/15/2008 2:16:38 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The Pet Shop (parrot) sketch...

Owner: We’re closin’ for lunch.

Mr. Praline: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.

Owner: Oh yes, the, uh, the Norwegian Blue...What’s,uh...What’s wrong with it?

Mr. Praline: I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it, my lad. ‘E’s dead, that’s what’s wrong with it!

Owner: No, no, ‘e’s uh,...he’s resting.

Mr. Praline: Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I’m looking at one right now.

Owner: No no he’s not dead, he’s, he’s restin’! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, idn’it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

Mr. Praline: The plumage don’t enter into it. It’s stone dead.

Owner: Nononono, no, no! ‘E’s resting!


8 posted on 08/15/2008 2:19:22 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: ejonesie22

Exactly.....


9 posted on 08/15/2008 2:19:57 PM PDT by nesnah (Expression with an attitude - www.polistic.com)
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To: nesnah
Actaully I have a copy of that list, it is in the bottom drawer of my printer, the one marker “Tray One”...

I also have 500 duplicates, in a sealed package marked “Office Depot Copier/Laser Paper”

10 posted on 08/15/2008 2:23:22 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I just read through the link and a number of it’s posts. I am speechless. I have seen apologetics in my time, but this is something beyond even the irrational. I have to absorb it more to comment further in detail...


11 posted on 08/15/2008 2:28:18 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Bigoted Neanderthal Evangelicals support Eric Cantor for VP. Shalom.)
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To: greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Pan_Yans Wife; MHGinTN; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; Osage Orange; ...

This is an incredible article!

For the first time that I can recall, a respected LDS source is making the following stark admissions:

  1. Saints are coming across shocking information in the form of documents and facts about Joseph Smith and Mormonism through the Internet.

  2. This new information causes cognitive dissonance.

  3. Saints lose trust the LDS Church, and believe they taken advantage of. They don't know whether to leave the church, or stay in and try to just get along.

  4. Church leaders and others do not understand the force of this alternate view. Without credible rebutting evidence, they resort to ad hominem attacks such as dismissing the source as anti-Mormon or of the devil.

  5. The old instructions to quit reading the negative information and/or pray for a warm feeling are no longer adequate.

  6. Persons who do not give up on the LDS Church are never quite the same as before; more philosophic and less dogmatic about all the stories they once enjoyed. They do this by:

    1. Understanding Smith was a sinner and not a model of perfect deportment as they once thought.

    2. Understanding Smith was not led by revelation in every detail, but rather had to learn how to be a revelator through trial and error.

    3. Learning how to put spin on historical facts – by giving alternative interpretations to data and thus portraying it in a more favorable light than it may first appear.

    4. Simply ignoring the truth they gain from the Internet in favor of the moral discipline they get from Mormonism.

  7. LDS Church Leaders should realize the information about Smith and Mormonism is true – i.e. it should not be dismissed as foolish or purely evil. To do otherwise is to completely destroy their credibility. Instead, leaders should face the problems head on by being truthful – not try to minimize the difficulty or prejudice the case against the critic.

  8. LDS Church Leaders should give dogmatic answers, but rather place as positive spin as possible on the information.

  9. LDS Church Leaders should not ignore the problem any longer – silence is not the answer because it troubles questioners more than anything because they came through their Church classes ignorant of the devastating information now a few clicks away on the internet.

Unfortunately, this new approach to honesty leaves the LDS Church with a rather serious predicament. To quote one of the respondents to the article:

The approach to Joseph Smith which characterizes him as human like all the rest of us, and making mistakes in his religious pronouncements and practices, and sort of feeling his way in his prophetic mission, suffers fundamentally from the problem that such a view makes him no different at all from any other self-proclaimed prophet who tells the world God is speaking through him. Joseph Smith ends up being just another self-deluded or deluding visionary.

Needless to say, it will be interesting to watch how these events in the life of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unfold.
12 posted on 08/15/2008 3:42:49 PM PDT by Zakeet (Crime wouldn't pay if the government ran it)
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I wonder if Bushman will be reprimanded, perhaps disfellowshipped. The Church will be forced to do something to staunch this hemmorage.

Every reading person on this site has seen the treatment given by Mormons to ex-mormons such as myself, greyfoxx39, degaston, P-Marlow, Utah Binger; and most recently SENTINEL.

At least we have some vindication in that this apologists recognizes that we are not simply sinful and bitter people. It will be harder for them to discount us in the future, I think.

Ping to the good FreeRepublic ex-mormons that I’ve had the pleasure to come to know!


13 posted on 08/15/2008 3:55:05 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry; Zakeet; Gamecock; MagnoliaMS
This article inspired this post on another forum. I thought it was a masterful summary.

" “D&C 121:36-37
36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.
37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to COVER OUR SINS, or to GRATIFY OUR PRIDE, our VAIN AMBITION, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in ANY DEGREE OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, AMEN TO THE PRIESTHOOD OR THE AUTHORITY OF THAT MAN.

Mormonism has always been about worthiness. In the early Church men were ex’d all the time for disbelief not following revelations and questioning authority. Today you can’t go to the Temple or serve in a calling for drinking coffee or alcohol.

If regular members are held to that shouldn’t the prophet be accountable?

Ah but it seems to me if you apply the standard that is applied to every other member of the Church to Joseph Smith he wouldn’t fare so well— and not just because “things were different back then.”

14 posted on 08/15/2008 4:02:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: greyfoxx39

What exactly is “mobbing”?


15 posted on 08/15/2008 4:06:09 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife
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"Psychological terror or mobbing in working life involves hostile and unethical communication which is directed in a systematic manner by one or more individuals, mainly toward one individual, who, due to mobbing, is pushed into a helpless and defenseless position and held there by means of continuing mobbing activities. These actions occur on a very frequent basis (statistical definition: at least once a week) and over a long period of time (statistical definition: at least six months´ duration). Because of the high frequency and long duration of hostile behavior, this maltreatment results in considerable mental, psychosomatic and social misery."

The Mobbing Encyclopaedia

Frankly, I believe we have seen instances of it here where several people would come on a single thread and bully colorcountry.

17 posted on 08/15/2008 4:16:16 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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From the Religion Moderator's home page:

Open threads are a town square. Antagonism though not encouraged, should be expected

Posters may argue for or against beliefs of any kind. They may tear down other’s beliefs. They may ridicule.

On all threads, but particularly “open” threads, posters must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Making a thread “about” another Freeper is “making it personal.”

When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun “you” before hitting “enter.”

Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.

Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.

 

18 posted on 08/15/2008 4:19:40 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (1992...how many folks had heard of Bill Clinton? John McCain, Eric Cantor for your VP pick!)
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To: greyfoxx39

At least we know who has the thin skin.


19 posted on 08/15/2008 4:24:34 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: colorcountry
I wonder if Bushman will be reprimanded, perhaps disfellowshipped

I doubt it.

As you can see here, the guy is high powered, teaches in a good school, and is sitting in a chair funded by Mormons. A search at Columbia University shows him to be well published, well respected and the winner of teaching awards. It is highly unlikely the Mormon Church will try to pick a fight with this type of individual.

The Church will be forced to do something to staunch this hemmorage.

That is exactly what they are attempting with this article.

The LDS Church is famous for letting third parties float trial balloons. If the balloon sinks, the Church claims no responsibility for the statements of others. If it soars, it tends to become official church policy.

Frankly, I cannot imagine a seminar on such a sensitive subject could possibly be conducted at BYU, and a person such as Bushman would be allowed to give an account of that seminar, in an LDS blog no less, without the foreknowledge and approval (somewhere, somehow, and by someone) of the Mormon Church.

I believe the bottom line conclusion of the article is absolutely correct: The LDS Church can no longer lie and deny the truth -- they are therefore anxiously, urgently seeking another solution.

As noted in my earlier post, these are interesting times for the Church.

20 posted on 08/15/2008 4:38:43 PM PDT by Zakeet (Crime wouldn't pay if the government ran it)
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