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To: kosta50; maryz
I only have one example (hence rare). A young man named Louis whom I met. He complained of not being able to sleep due to extremely violent and scary nightmares every time he went to sleep. Obviously I began to ask him about his faith life, if he prayed, if he believed in Jesus. At the name of Jesus the pupils of his eyes rolled back into his head and, for all practical purposes Louis was not present to me for a good minute--then his eyes rolled back and, not aware that anything had happened he complained of now having a severe migraine headache. In the conversation that followed, I had to avoid that NAME so he wouldn't disappear, he told me that his parents were satanists and had consecrated him to the devil.

I later found out that he went to a priest to get help, and when the priest showed him a crucifix Louis went to the floor violently and began convulsing and foaming at the mouth. He was referred to an exorcist priest and, thank God, was successfully delivered. He now longer has migraines and siezures.

Why? because, in his case, they were caused by demons and once delivered from the demons they went away.

That certainly does not mean that everyone with migraine headaches should set up an appointment for deliverance prayers! Or that a person with epilepsy is possessed! I think Louis' case is exceptional, but clearly an example of physical "illnesses" caused by demons.

Jesus healed a woman hemorraging--no mention of casting out demons, he healed Peter's mother in law--no mention of demons; and ten lepers and various paralytics and blind--no mention of demons, and the man with the withered hand--no mention of demons, etc.. Obviously there were sicknesses directly caused by demons in the Gospels and in those cases Jesus healed them by delivering them from their root cause, the devil.

92 posted on 08/12/2008 2:29:12 AM PDT by koinonia ("Thou art bought with the blood of God... Be the companion of Christ." -St. Ephraim)
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To: koinonia; maryz
I only have one example (hence rare)...

Anecdotal. Psychosomatic conversion reactions (loss of vision, paralysis, even false pregnancy...) have been treated as "demonic" (possession) "diseases" throughout history. They are not demonic.

You would not be happy if you had an infection and the doctor told you it's caused by a "bug." Science ha isolated disease-causing organisms and knows quite a bit about them and can effectively present evidence of their existence.

The "demonic" approach to illness stops at the "bug" stage. It'sa still on a tribal level of medicine. There is as much evidence of that as there is that rumbling volcanoes rumble because the "god" inside the mountain is "angry" or "hungry" and needs sacrifice, preferably human.

Jesus healed a woman hemorraging--no mention of casting out demons, he healed Peter's mother in law--no mention of demons; and ten lepers and various paralytics and blind--no mention of demons, and the man with the withered hand--no mention of demons, etc.. Obviously there were sicknesses directly caused by demons in the Gospels and in those cases Jesus healed them by delivering them from their root cause, the devil

Jesus is also said to have believed mustard seed is the smallest seed, as well as treating demonic illnesses as something 'real.' The Bible says the world is standing on four pillars. Do you believe that too?

Lev 11:12 tells us that there are "fowl that creep." Duet. 14:7 says that hares chew their cud. Would God say something like that to Moses when we know it's not true?

The Bible also tells us that God could not find one innocent child worthy of saving in Sodom and Gomorrah.

Do you believe our enemies' children are just as guilty as their fathers, and should be destroyed along with them? The Bible seems to teach that on numerous occasions—God instructs his" people to kill men, women, and children ("dash them to pieces," and smash them against rocks, etc), and even their live stock, and being very graphic about it. It seems like God is either unable or unwilling to help people become better human beings.

Do you find "Christ" in Sodom and Gomorrah? The same Christ that says to love your enemies and those who hate you? The same Christ who says that the kingdom of God belongs to those who are like little children, yet God destroys all the children in them (it seems God sometimes teaches one thing and does another).

With all due respect, I think it is rather "retrograde" for the lack of a better word, to believe that the world sits on four pillars, that God doesn't know or doesn't want to tell the whole truth which is the smallest seed, and that illnesses are caused by "demons" which we cannot quote, identify and name, but treat anecdotal hearsay "evidence" as something creidble and verifable.

Try to hang your coat on that and see how long before it falls on the ground. That's how much "substance" such arguments have.

103 posted on 08/12/2008 11:33:07 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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