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To: maryz; koinonia
God takes a barbaric tribe and gradually, over a couple of thousand years, brings them to where the Christian message is possible

But God didn't do that! Don't you see? God spent an inordinate amount of time cuddling "his" people and they still rejected his message (from our point of view).

Even if all Jews had nothing to do with Jesus being "convicted," just about  all rejected Jesus as the Christ. If God was really trying to make them 'his" children, he didn't do such a good job!

We should also not forget here that Jesus fails the Jewish test of a messiah (having only one of the seven biblical requirements in their view), and that the Christian idea of a messiah is something that was unknown to Judaism.

127 posted on 08/13/2008 11:29:06 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Sounds like you're writing a review of a book you haven't read all the way through! The story's not over.

I don't see that God "cuddled" (coddled?) his people exactly. In fact, IMO, I could have done with a great deal more coddling in my life! But God had other plans . . .

I'm hardly expert in rabbinic Judaism, but one thing that struck me when I was taking Hebrew (and I had probably more than half a dozen courses based on Midrash -- which I loved!) was Judaic parallels to the Christian gospels. The only one I remember clearly after all these years is the story of how Moses, when he was watching Jethro's sheep, climbed down a ravine to rescue a lamb that had fallen in. Moses put the lamb over his shoulders and climbed back up, and according to the Midrash, that was how God was assured that he would be the right leader for Israel.

Anyway, (without looking it up) "whoever says a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him."

The story's not over.

134 posted on 08/13/2008 1:44:06 PM PDT by maryz
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