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To: NYer

“13. Holy Scripture tells us that it is the Church and not the Bible which is the pillar and foundation of truth. 1Timothy 3:15.”

Irenaeus disagrees. Against Heresies, Book III:

1. WE have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.2 For it is unlawful to assert that they preached before they possessed “perfect knowledge,” as some do even venture to say, boasting themselves as improvers of the apostles. For, after our Lord rose from the dead, [the apostles] were invested with power from on high when the Holy Spirit came down [upon them], were filled from all [His gifts], and had perfect knowledge: they departed to the ends of the earth, preaching the glad tidings of the good things [sent] from God to us, and proclaiming the peace of heaven to men, who indeed do all equally and individually possess the Gospel of God. Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews3 in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church”


14 posted on 08/03/2008 3:59:40 PM PDT by enat
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To: enat
Irenaeus disagrees. Against Heresies, Book III:

Ahhh, the beloved Irenaeus, Doctor of the Catholic Church and disciple of St. Polycarp. You are quoting him out of context. The spread of Gnosticism in Gaul led Irenaeus to make a careful study of its tenets, not an easy matter since each Gnostic teacher was inclined to introduce subtleties of his own. He was, Tertullian tells us, "a curious explorer of all kinds of learning," and the task interested him. His treatise Against the Heresies, in five books, sets forth fully the doctrines of the main dissident sects of the day and then contrasts them with the words of Scripture and the teachings of the Apostles, as preserved not only in sacred writings but by oral tradition in the churches which the Apostles founded. Above all, he cites the authoritative tradition of the Church of Rome, handed down from Peter and Paul through an unbroken succession of bishops.

SAINT IRENAEUS

22 posted on 08/03/2008 6:14:36 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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