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Joseph Smith's First Vision: Fact or Fiction?
MRM ^ | Wesley Walters

Posted on 07/24/2008 12:37:23 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Gamecock; ejonesie22

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101 posted on 07/27/2008 11:32:19 PM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: Gamecock
I wasn't talking about Orthodox/Historic Christianity and Mormons, but between the various Denominations like I have worked with in ecumenical ministries.

What mormons believe is totally different and not anything like the true path of Christ.

102 posted on 07/28/2008 3:39:24 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: NoCmpromiz
Right on.

It is true that attending any one of these buildings does not make you a Christian any more than going to McDonalds makes you a BigMac.

Although I heard once you are what you eat - and some may resememble that remark LOL

103 posted on 07/28/2008 5:42:14 AM PDT by Godzilla (The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I know a half-dozen or so here in Idaho. All but one of these read what is recorded in history, much of that stored within the Church. A couple went through great effort, even reading microfilm copies of browned newspapers. One found a couple of quotes from Joseph Smith that made their faith in the LDS Church crash.


104 posted on 07/28/2008 6:12:39 AM PDT by jps098
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To: Godzilla
Ummm..

Big Mac...

If only McDonald's had not gone gay...

105 posted on 07/28/2008 6:13:13 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: jps098
One found a couple of quotes from Joseph Smith that made their faith in the LDS Church crash.

The claim was made that there were "300,000 a year from their ranks..." converted from Christianity to mormonism. I requested some kind of proof of that claim and it was never provided. I'm aware there are many resignations from the mormon church yearly, but the official stats from SLC, of course, are not available to the public.

I'm still waiting for some kind of proof of those 300,000 Christians converting to mormonism yearly.

106 posted on 07/28/2008 6:43:26 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: POWG; SENTINEL
People on both sides of the issue will continue to post articles, argue and debate in a futile effort to change the minds of those on the other side.

OK - Let the “flaming” begin -—

No flames from me. I was about to give you the example of "SENTINEL" but I scrolled a bit and found that he had already given his powerful testimony. Christians have an obligation to share the good news of Jesus Christ and SENTINEL does it well.

Joeseph Smith nor any other man is neccessary for salvation, the false prophet Smith is a hinderance.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man cometh to the Father but by me." John 14:6.

107 posted on 07/28/2008 6:50:49 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I'm voting for McCain because he's white - credit Jeff Chandler)
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To: greyfoxx39
You know, even if that figure is true, it is pretty pathetic. I mean think about it, how much does the national ad campaign they run on various networks cost each year. How much money does it cost to keep ths missionaries in the field, maintain the impressive facilities and such.

Not very cost effective from a business perspective, only 300,000 new customers annually world wide...

Couldn't be the product, could it? ;-)

108 posted on 07/28/2008 6:53:39 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: NoCmpromiz
Wonderful post. Which brings up the "We are Christian because we have Christ in the name of our church" mantra you hear from mormons. It occurs to me that the "Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)" has Christ in the name TWICE...so does that make the members doubly Christian?

Coincidentally, the Christian Church (DOC) was established at approximately the same time as the mormon church.

109 posted on 07/28/2008 6:57:44 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: ejonesie22
I belong to the family of Christians from through out the world.

How about you?

I know it wasn't addressed to me but I'll answer anyway.

I belong to one of the churches that J. Smith said was "apostate".

That narrows it down a lot, huh?

110 posted on 07/28/2008 7:00:12 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I'm voting for McCain because he's white - credit Jeff Chandler)
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To: Graybeard58
Only to the Christian ones...

Seems he had a thing for Mohammad...

http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2006/11/29/i-will-be-a-second-mohammed/

Please note the annotations in the article, again citing words from Smith himself...

111 posted on 07/28/2008 7:07:28 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

Thank you for your testimony at number 91.


112 posted on 07/28/2008 7:15:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (I'm voting for McCain because he's white - credit Jeff Chandler)
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To: ejonesie22
It is not by works we are saved, it is by our works we are known to be saved. Grace saves us period:

Mormons CANNOT accept that simple fact.

The "great work" that the mormon church does in their temples depends upon the "requirements" (ie. baptism, endowments, sealing for eternity, etc.) being performed for the dead, as well as the living.

The aim of the membership of the LDS church is to be "temple worthy" in order to take part in these rituals which are a necessity in order to gain "exaltation". Temple "worthiness" requires obedience and bowing to LDS authority as seen in these questions for acquiring a "temple recommend":

TEMPLE RECOMMEND QUESTIONS

1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

Pay attention to No. 14: "Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

"Sins and misdeeds" are to be resolved with men.

I believe that my sins and misdeeds are to be resolved by a MUCH higher authority.

113 posted on 07/28/2008 7:22:00 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Eighteen new "I love Romney" threads in the past week,.and counting! Flacking for VP or love-god?)
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To: greyfoxx39
A couple of my favorites:

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

Isn't amazing that there is always more prophets around in the LDS to succeed the ones that have moved on. I mean even in God's hey day prophets were rare, but now we have a whole parade of them, who just so conveniently happen to be both mormons and in the chain of command of the LDS...

And then there is:

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

Oh yeah, got to keep the bill paid to get into heaven.Maybe even have a good credit rating as well, I think I saw something about that in Paul's letter to the Bank of Rome...

114 posted on 07/28/2008 7:35:34 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Haley Barbour 2012, Because he has experience in Disaster Recovery.)
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To: Zakeet

Hmm, sounds like a cult to me...a lot of freemasonry in it too, perhaps?


115 posted on 07/28/2008 7:56:30 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: SENTINEL

I just got on this thread and am so blessed by your testimony. I thank God for you.


116 posted on 07/28/2008 8:54:07 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: POWG

There ARE lurkers whose lives have been affected by the truth of the Gospel vs. the truth of Mormonism. That’s why we keep doing this.


117 posted on 07/28/2008 8:55:26 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: colorcountry

Great post, colorcountry. It’s an honor to know you.


118 posted on 07/28/2008 9:02:05 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Stourme

That’s not all Christians do, Stourme. We believe IN Him, we live FOR Him, we confess our sins TO Him and He cleanses us from all unrighteousness when we do. It’s a walk, a journey, and the Holy Spirit guides us into all truth. He convicts us of sin and we have to repent of that sin when He does. He has prepared works for us to do from the foundation of the world. It’s not just doing nice things for your church and community, although they might be good things to do, but what has HE prepared for YOU to do. Ask Him. He will guide you into those places prepared for you.


119 posted on 07/28/2008 9:07:29 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: ejonesie22

Wellll, tithing IS something Christians should be doing.


120 posted on 07/28/2008 9:22:13 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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