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Is Anti-Catholicism Dead? (Ques. Proposed by NY Times)
NY Times City Room Blog ^ | 7/23/2008 | Sewell Chan

Posted on 07/23/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by Pyro7480

When Gov. Alfred E. Smith ran for president in 1928, his candidacy was derailed in large part by anti-Catholic prejudice. It has been nearly 48 years since John F. Kennedy became the first (and so far only) Roman Catholic president, but experts say that anti-Catholic sentiment — much of it originating in, or as a response to, immigrants in New York — remains an enduring force in American culture.

That was the consensus of a panel assembled at the Museum of the City of New York on Tuesday night to consider the question, “Is Anti-Catholicism Dead?

...The Rev. Richard John Neuhaus — a leading conservative intellectual, a former Lutheran pastor and the editor of the leading Catholic journal First Things — offered a surprising view on the question.

“To be a Catholic is not to be refused positions of influence in our society,” he said. “Indeed, one of the most acceptable things is to be a bad Catholic, and in the view of many people, the only good Catholic is a bad Catholic.”

...He added that anti-Catholicism was as likely to come from the left — sometimes from commentators who believe that a “threatening theological insurgency is engineered and directed by Catholics,” with evangelical Protestants merely as the movement’s “foot soldiers.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
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To: Alamo-Girl

What an exquisitely wonderful and Biblical exhortation.

I’ve certainly fallen pray to such attitudes and thoughts more than a few times in my 61 years, sadly.

I think that’s one reason the enemy works so hard to insure that there’s tons of poor parenting resulting in tons of ATTACHMENT DISORDERs resulting in tons of insecurity

resulting in exactly what you describe.

I don’t have a handy solution.

I think only Holy Spirit can bring the healing, wholeness and perspective to overcome such an attitude, mentality, faithlessness. And so often, He seems to do it painstakenly slowly requiring persistent cooperation on our part.

Or am I missing something?

I certainly know of folks in whom some sort of switch is flipped. One moment they are horrific sinners. The next 100% trusting and confident faith-filled fully trusting sons of God and they never slow down.

I don’t seem to be in that category.

Even cherished spiritual growth seems to be agonizingly slow.

You articulate the phenomena so accurately.

Do you have a good reliable route for some of us to get there more fully and faster?


321 posted on 07/27/2008 8:25:28 AM PDT by Quix (key QUOTES POLS 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: sandyeggo

Not in my case.

Have repeatedly said, that when I left home, I was quite prepared to relate to RC’s in an open minded way.

My views have been shaped wholesale by what I’ve observed.

No small amount of it . . . most intensely reinforced, as it turns out now, by a relatively small cluster of RC’s hereon.


322 posted on 07/27/2008 8:27:15 AM PDT by Quix (key QUOTES POLS 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Quix

Awe, sweetums. You make me blush. I never realized you were so fond of us.

323 posted on 07/27/2008 8:29:41 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper (A vote for third party is a vote for nObama)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Of course . . . Dear Heart,

Christ made clear Love was not an option.


324 posted on 07/27/2008 8:37:11 AM PDT by Quix (key QUOTES POLS 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Mad Dawg

“You shall know them by their fruits”


325 posted on 07/27/2008 8:58:20 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: vladimir998; Quix; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; PAR35; 1000 silverlings; wmfights; Forest Keeper; ...
Sins for which they have not repented (will send a Protestant to hell.)

Christ said men must repent in order to see heaven.

"...except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." -- Luke 13:3

Obviously this is a great truth because Christ repeated the declaration two verses later in Luke 13:5.

But you made the comment about Protestants in particular...

VLAD: "If a Protestant goes to hell it is for different reasons."

I assume you believe the words of Christ who called on men to repent of their sins. Protestants believe that.

So what are the "different reasons" Protestants would "go to hell?"

326 posted on 07/27/2008 9:13:50 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Mad Dawg; annalex
What we have here are people who, not understanding, not caring to understand, what is written, call it gibberish, and thinking themselves smart for doing so, turn to their homies for high fives and fist bumps.

Don't forget the incredible dizziness that can be induced by grammar.

327 posted on 07/27/2008 9:20:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Mad Dawg
Evidently the "salvation maybe" thread became too toxic even for the harpies so they came over here to see what else they can spoil.

Oh hell yeah.

328 posted on 07/27/2008 9:22:58 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...we understand it all too well, and we disagree with it.

Some among you have demonstrated a propensity for posting false witness about Catholicism serially, habitually, despite correction...in fact IN spite of correction.

329 posted on 07/27/2008 9:26:43 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The doctrine of Mary's bodily ascension into heaven...

Not Catholic teaching at all.

330 posted on 07/27/2008 9:28:10 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Quix

So sorry you cannot see the distinction.


331 posted on 07/27/2008 9:29:21 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Quix

NGR


332 posted on 07/27/2008 9:29:38 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Quix
It is indeed tragic whenever a Christian believes that the Blood of Christ is in some way insufficient.

Many, I suspect, feel this way because of self-loathing. Because their past sins haunt them, they "will" not to receive God's forgiveness. Some might even see their attitude as extreme humility, but what it really is, is a lack of faith...

And some, I suspect, are uncomfortable with unmerited grace and feel they must do something to earn it. They might see this as humility or gratitude instead of the insult to the Blood of the Lamb that it is...

And some, I suspect, believe the Blood of Christ fades over time - that when they sin again, the forgiveness they once received is cancelled...

EXCELLENT summary of the many spiritual ills which keep us from understanding that Christ is our "all in all."

"For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace...

What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. " -- Romans 6:14,21-22

Praise God! What an extraordinary, free, unmerited, merciful gift has been given to those He has "planted together" (Romans 6:5); those who were once "servants of sin" but who now have been "made free from sin" and reborn as "servants to God."

"the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." -- Romans 6:23

333 posted on 07/27/2008 9:34:43 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix
THIS TAKES THE CAKE:

Pretty amazing, isn't it?

Well, not so pretty.

Just another example of words being twisted to suit an agenda that does not follow either from the words themselves or from the Scriptures.

334 posted on 07/27/2008 9:38:28 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: annalex; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; wmfights; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Quix; ...
DR.E: If a Protestant disagrees with [the late in formulation Catholic Marian dogmas], is he then "condemned to hell?"

ANNALEX: It is about the tenth time, "doctor" that I explain. If you (not being personal) reject them as an act of informed free will, of course you do go to (drum roll) Hell. If you fail to form a belief in them due to honest doubt or lack of familiarity with them, that would not be a factor.

To summarize, if a person rejects Marian dogma according to their "informed free will," that person will "of course...go to Hell."

LOL. Thank you for proving our point so briskly.

As a Bible-believing Christian, I deny the foul lie of the RCC which states Mary was conceived without sin, that Mary was assumed bodily into heaven, that Mary is an intercessor or mediator between God and men in any way, and all the other egregious, blasphemous titles which Rome has heaped like hot coals upon the head of the mother of Jesus Christ.

And I assume nearly every Protestant on this forum also knowingly and willingly "rejects the Marion dogma" Rome has concocted which steals the Creator's glory and parcels it out to the creature which is an abominable offense to God and His word.

By the grace of God alone, Bible-believing Christians are prevented from "falling down to the stock of a tree," unlike those who "feedeth on ashes" and cannot say "Is there not a lie in my right hand?"

So thanks for settling the question that was asked earlier on this thread by stating your belief that Protestants who do not believe Rome's "Marian dogma" "do go to (drum roll) hell."

A course in reading comprehension is available from me at a modest fee, to defray the costs of typing.

I suggest you self-administer it before you teach it. No one benefits by a blind instructor.

335 posted on 07/27/2008 10:04:28 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Old Sarge
BINGO!!
336 posted on 07/27/2008 10:13:27 AM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: Pyro7480; Petronski

That’s just not right. IMHO


337 posted on 07/27/2008 10:16:36 AM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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To: Quix; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; BnBlFlag; Dr. Eckleburg; ears_to_hear; Forest Keeper
they have to submit to wholesale and utterly depend upon layer upon layer of professional gatekeepers

Priesthood is not a profession, but rather a vocation. Other than that, yes. That's what the Bible says.

because satan has convinced each individual that Christ's Blood is insufficient alone to cover their wormy-ness.

Christ's blood is absolutely sufficient, there wouldn't be a priesthood without it, and you (and many like you, not getting personal) would have no chance of getting saved at all.

338 posted on 07/27/2008 10:26:14 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; wmfights; Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; ...
I deny

Bad choice. Make sure you undeny, before judgement.

339 posted on 07/27/2008 10:29:03 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Bad choice. Make sure you undeny, before judgement.

I "deny" Rome's "Marian dogmas" by the grace of God alone that worketh righteousness in all those who are His.

I "deny" by the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit who keeps me from falling into the blasphemous errors you categorize as "Marian dogma."

I "deny" because God has graciously illuminated the Scriptures for me so that I may know His will which is most certainly NOT to believe the lie of "Marian dogma."

And God willing, I will continue to deny this lie until the moment of my death when I behold His face in glory.

Since you presume to be some sort of teacher, why not learn to spell "judgment" correctly?

340 posted on 07/27/2008 10:46:05 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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