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To: ibtheman
Jesus said, "There WAS a rich man.....". He did not say, "Let me tell you of a parable of a rich man....".

Jesus said, "There WAS a beggar....." He did not say, "Let me tell you of a parable of a beggar...".

Jesus spoke of an act of ABRAHAM. Certainly Abraham was a Bible character of HISTORY, not a parabolic character. He was a real person,..a person of renoun in Jewish and Christian history.

One departed this world unjustified and one departed justified. For some reason, perhaps the same reason we find in 2 Cor 12:1-4, Lazarrus was allowed to see across this great gulf fixed as was the rich man. Here Jesus was teaching the same thing as in Heb.9:27.

Jesus went on to say that the rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus to warn his 5 brothers. Here again, the fact that the 5 brothers have Moses and the Prophets, 'Let them hear them", is the similar teaching that was taught to the children of Israel as they wandered in the wilderness being fed by God with the miraculous events each day of providing manna and quail, yet as Moses ascended the mountain they built false Gods, thus proving that "miracles" (of quail/manna or sending back Lazarus) would not convince people of Gods' truths.

No, this is the story of real people and real events as reported by Jesus. Jesus taught many parables, but this is not one of them.

14 posted on 07/19/2008 10:30:50 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Texas Songwriter
Jesus said, "There WAS a rich man.....". He did not say, "Let me tell you of a parable of a rich man....".

Did Jesus preface all his parables, 'let me tell you of a parable...'

15 posted on 07/19/2008 10:34:28 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Texas Songwriter
One departed this world unjustified and one departed justified. For some reason, perhaps the same reason we find in 2 Cor 12:1-4, Lazarrus was allowed to see across this great gulf fixed as was the rich man. Here Jesus was teaching the same thing as in Heb.9:27.

You have to remember that Jesus was talking to Pharisee's in the PARABLE (sorry) of Lazarus and the rich man.

Luk 16:14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. Luk 16:15 And he said unto them,

And since the Pharisee's were NOT disciples, this applied to them:

Luk 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

So Jesus revealed the mysteries of the kingdom of God in PARABLES to those who weren't his disciples. He wasn't telling them straight out "this is the way it is Pharisees'" because they weren't meant to see or understand.

17 posted on 07/19/2008 11:06:50 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Texas Songwriter
Jesus said, "There WAS a beggar....." He did not say, "Let me tell you of a parable of a beggar...".

And another thing... :-)

Luk 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.
Luk 7:41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
Luk 7:42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?
Luk 7:43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

This isn't identified as a parable and it used "there was". Now do you think Jesus was trying to teach Peter about the intricacies of borrowing and lending or was he trying to teach Peter something else?

18 posted on 07/19/2008 11:14:27 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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