I have been staying out of these Catholic/Protestant tit for tats for some time now and plan to continue. I think you have been involved in enough of these threads to realize that there are some Catholic priests, theologians, and perhaps some Bishops who are dissenters from Catholic magesterial teaching as fully laid out in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
What this Msgr states is obviously not in conformity with Catholic Doctrine and the Catholic Church does not teach Universal salvation, even though Scripture does speak that God desires all men to be saved, some will and some will not.
There are Catholics who favor women’s ordination, most recently, a nun in St. Louis particapted in a “so-called ordination of a woman to the Catholic priesthood”. The local bishop, Abp. Burke issued an interdict stating that she can no longer participate in any Catholic ministry and this was upheld in Rome.
What do we take from all this, in the end the authentic Catholic Church teaching is expressed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Catholics believe that Christ will protec the Church in union with the Bishop of Rome from teaching unorthodox doctrine. I as an orthodox Catholic accept this. What I also believe is that some Catholics will dissent from orthodox Catholic teaching which in the end is just that, some Catholics dissent from Catholic teaching. But Catholic teaching not changed at the Doctrinal level to conform to every “spirit of the age” that pops up.
And what is stated at Florence is still true but has been developed as the statement “unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock...”
This statement is entirely consistent with the teaching of the Fathers that “outside the Church their is no salvation”. What that means, at least my understanding, and has been more fully defined a stating all who are saved are saved by Christ through the Church (his body) which is the instrument of salvation. The Catholic Church is the normative instrument of salvation that God uses as Christ has given his Church the 7 sacraments which are visible signs that Give Grace for the sanctification of humanity. THus, the fullness means of salvation are in the Catholic Church. As has been stated before, Christ is bound to the Sacraments, but God in ways only known to him can find ways to bring people of good will, who are truly invincibly ignorant, into his body the Church as God does “will everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth” (c.f. 1 Tim 2:4).
I have linked the relevant paragraphs from the CCC which go into the issue you are raising if you are interested in reading what the authentic Catholic teaching is on the matter:
http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9p3.htm
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>I think you have been involved in enough of these threads to realize that there are some Catholic priests, theologians, and perhaps some Bishops who are dissenters from Catholic magesterial teaching as fully laid out in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
So what is the Catholic Church’s rule on driving these wolves out of the church? Is it not the divine duty of any church to do so, so that they do not lead the sheep astray? Seemingly by the reaction of the other Catholics on this post, they believe the good monsignor is teaching a different gospel which indeed will lead to hell, but where is the call for his removal? No, the call is “defend the church from those outside!”, rather than the wolf inside destroying the church.
But he is a monsignor, a bishop, a part of the body magisterial. Is this man continuing in his leadership role in the Catholic church? Where is the church discipline?
Again this is the sticking point with the child abuse scandals. It is not the fact that they happened, for all are sinful, and all fail. It is the fact that the Catholic church turned a blind eye to it, and just moved the individual priests to the next parish, where they did the same thing over again with the tacit approval of the church leadership. Personally I would be at my bishops office with a sign that he must be removed for his complicity in the abuse. But then again, we hear “Defend the Church!” rather than “Remove the antichrist!”