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To: Old Mountain man; Zakeet; Colofornian; Godzilla; Utah Binger; Osage Orange; greyfoxx39; Elsie; ...
Well, let’s see, it’s been a long time since I looked it up, but the rash of accusations you make against the Prophet Joseph Smith are not contained in any official record.

Well, let's see. What 'official record' are you referring to?

Your church record, or what I can post from history?

It seems that the governor slapped him in jail for Treason. Interesting charge.

Well, if we really want to deal with historical facts, then we have to deal with historical facts. Those other charges that I told you Smith would be charge of even today (including screwing a 14 year old little girl) were true, but you know those were not the total of his crimes. What led to his shoot out where he killed men and he himself was subsequently shot were charges such as these:

Charge 1:

INCITING A RIOT: Smith was imprisoned in Carthage, Illinois, and charged with inciting a riot after he attempted to destroy a newspaper that exposed the Mormon's practice of polygamy.

You mentioned he was charged with Treason, which is true. You neglected the second charge: Charge 2:

Despite Joseph's surrender, he was charged with treason for appearing in Missouri in command of an armed force, and was also charged with plotting the murder of a Missouri gentile killed in a skirmish with Mormons.

Murder?

Murder.....

Strange how you left that historical fact our Old Mountain man? Murder.

I find that the method of trial was quite interesting also, something only a protestant could love. Trial by lynch mob. Wow, that gives real validity to the courage of the mob, doesn’t it?

Mormon Fairy Tales do not equal Reality.

Joseph Smith was in jail for a reason. He was also an adulterous man who sexually abused a girl who was 14 years old.

Her name was Helen Mar Kimball.

Helen Mar Kimball

She was just a little girl.

Perhaps you could remember her in your prayers.

You make much about whether or not Joseph fired on the mob or not. What difference does that make? Since when does a lynch mob deserve preservation from defensive measures of the intended victim?

Well, let's see. JS wasn't a "victim." He was a criminal and a fugitive.

The same as a sexual predator who was recently arrested here in New Jersey for sodomizing a 14 year old girl.

Perhaps he should claim he was a "Prophet" to the judge?

Is lynching the preferred method of handling problems in your church? It is NOT in mine.

No, we prefer prayer.

55 posted on 07/07/2008 7:29:07 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: SkyPilot

If lynch mobs are not your preferred method of handling problems, why the hell do you support this one with such force? As you well know, Joseph was never convicted of any crime. None. Zip. Nada.

Lynch mob of protestants killed him, his brother, etc. Not the other way around.


60 posted on 07/07/2008 7:52:46 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Official FR PITA)
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To: SkyPilot

This whole thing about how kind and pure Ole Joe was misses the following:

Smith led the raid on Zion which was a war party to kill Gentiles stopped only by cholera.
Regarding Boggs extermination order, it was preceded by Rigdon’s Salt Sermon. Moreover, if Boggs were so evil, why didn’t he bump off Smith at Liberty Jail?

Of course, it is likely Smith order an assasination attempt on Boggs
[In his home, on the rainy evening of May 6, 1842, Boggs was shot by an unknown party who fired at him through a window as he read a newspaper in his study. Boggs was hit by large buckshot in four places: Two balls were lodged in his skull, another lodged in his neck, and a fourth entered his throat, whereupon Boggs swallowed it. Boggs was severely injured. Several doctors—Boggs’ brother among them—pronounced Boggs as good as dead; at least one newspaper ran an obituary. To everyone’s great surprise, Boggs not only survived, but gradually improved.

Meanwhile, the crime was investigated. Sheriff J.H. Reynolds discovered a revolver at the scene, still loaded with buckshot. He surmised that the suspect had fired upon Boggs and lost his firearm in the dark rainy night when the weapon recoiled due to its unusually large shot. The gun had been stolen from a local shopkeeper, who identified “that hired man of Ward’s” as the most likely culprit. Reynolds determined that the man in question was Orrin Porter Rockwell, a close associate of the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, Jr.. However, Reynolds was unable to capture Rockwell.

Some Mormons saw the assassination attempt positively: An anonymous contributor to The Wasp, a pro-Mormon newspaper in Nauvoo, Illinois, wrote on May 28 that “Boggs is undoubtedly killed according to report; but who did the noble deed remains to be found out.”[citation needed] Rockwell denied involvement in oblique terms, stating that he had “done nothing criminal”

]

Smith was according to the Nauvoo Expositor and other sources hiding fugitives in Nauvoo as well.

So, in short, Smith was a criminal who was trying to foment a Civil War.


63 posted on 07/07/2008 8:35:21 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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