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To: bdfromlv

I appreciate your reasoned and articulate reply. I am still learning and while I have a healthy fear and anger at Muslims, I still question how is that feeling compatible with the Muslims we are helping in Iraq and are helping us.

I believe there is a divide in Islam, and if the radicals rule, they will define Islam in the most fundamentalist way and the moderates will be killed with the infidels.

I do not consider my position to come from a PC perspective , however thinking that there are Muslims who may feel American identity as well.


31 posted on 07/06/2008 3:58:07 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (WE NEED A TROOP SURGE IN CHICAGO !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
There is a divide in muslims not islam. Muslims are like many christians, I know of a number of (you know I dont really do this or that and I like pork) But christians/catholics, hindu’s, jews, etc. dont have (Gods Word from the prophet) That says kill apostates and non believers, not call them names or annoy them.

When push comes to shove as a society or Ummah, The (I dont really do that) guys are going to be saying Yeah man what he said, Death to whoever. The religion give you 72 virgins if you die right and everyone important to you is behind the Imam chanting and dying. They have to want to change what their god says to the religion. We can only remove them from our society for our and your kids safety.

The American Identity has nothing to do with what they will do when the representative of their fathers, mothers, grand fathers etc. tells them to kill you the (non believer) for us.

32 posted on 07/06/2008 4:20:40 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

July 5, 2008
“Jihad against America obligation of all Muslims”
Wali-ur-Rehman bases this on the Islamic principle that defensive jihad is fard ayn, incumbent upon every individual Muslim, if an Islamic land is invaded.

“’Jihad against America obligation of all Muslims,’” from the Daily Times, July 3 (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):

KHAR: It is incumbent on every Muslim across the world to fight alongside Afghan Muslims against America, Jaish-ul-Islami Pakistan (JIP) Bajaur Agency commander Wali-ur-Rehman said on Wednesday.
Rehman said it was not un-Islamic to go to Afghanistan for jihad and to defend Afghan Muslims in the war against the United States-led allied forces.

Addressing a press conference at an undisclosed location, he said jihad against the US and NATO forces would continue until they (allies) were driven out of Afghanistan.

He attributed the worsening law and order in Pakistan and its Tribal Areas to the flawed policies of President Pervez Musharraf, which had made Pakistan and its Tribal Areas prone to the US-led allied forces’ attacks. He said that America was the major terrorist in the world and the biggest enemy of Islam and Pakistan.

Spies: Rehman said those spying for America would be strictly punished and would be publicly hanged to teach others a lesson.

He said one of the spies arrested following the bombing of a Damadola madrassa in May by the US, had been beheaded. He said the JIP had sentenced him to death under the Islamic laws....

Posted by Robert at July 5, 2008 11:10 AM
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33 posted on 07/06/2008 5:13:56 PM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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