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To: narses; rogator
When His Holiness acts in accord with Tradition, the SSPX has stood up and cheered. To accept all of the acts of the man is going too far. We respect and revere the Pope, we do not worship him.

Uh......guess what? Neither do we. We respect him and obey him unconditionally, not just when it suits us. Enough with the Protestant cliches.

So who's to decide when the Pope is in line with tradition? SSPX, right?

My friends, if the Pope's writings and ministry are subject to your personal approval, SSPX approval, or anyone else's approval then he's not the Pope. You are. It's as simple as that.

Your post highlights the problem in a nutshell. The fundamental problem here and the main obstacle to any reconciliation is that SSPX regards itself and not the Pope as the true repository of Catholic tradition and teaching. With this mindset, where is the motivation for a reconciliation? Where is the urgency? There is none. Why break a sweat to reconcile with an organization which you consider to be apostate or at the very least, wrong on critical issues?

Allied to this is the imposition of conditions. Conditions, any conditions no matter how minimal, will always be a problem for the proud and they also suggest error on the part of SSPX. SSPX doesn't see it that way. It in no sense sees itself as having wandered off the reservation and it sees the Pope and the rest of the Church as being the ones which have fled the fold. Why should it agree to the condition of refraining from criticizing the Pope and his actions for instance, if it sees no wrongdoing in this line of action?

In order for the Prodigal Son to return home and be reconciled to his father, he first had to admit to himself that he had sinned and gone astray. Until a similar situation occurs with the SSPX, there will be no reconciliation. You'll wait a long time for the Catholic Church to get down on its knees before the SSPX.

28 posted on 06/29/2008 2:43:11 PM PDT by marshmallow (An infallible Bible is useless without an infallible interpreter)
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To: marshmallow
We respect him and obey him unconditionally...
When did that become the Catholic standard? Any citation out of Canon Law or the Catechism for such an odd claim?
29 posted on 06/29/2008 2:49:52 PM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: marshmallow

“We respect him and obey him unconditionally, not just when it suits us.”

Uh, who is “we”?

Are you talking about the vast majority of Catholics who ignore Humanae Vitae?
Or perhaps the huge number of priests who ad lib portions of the Mass as they choose?
Or maybe the numerous bishops who fail to insure that their priests are taught Latin in the seminary as REQUIRED by Canon Law?
Or the many priests and nuns who have told me over the years that the Church “outlawed” Latin not only in the Mass but also hymns, “required” the Communion rails to be torn out, and mandated standing during the entire Canon of the Mass?


30 posted on 06/29/2008 3:20:42 PM PDT by rogator
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