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What does the Catholic Church mean by the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation"
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Posted on 06/28/2008 3:25:43 PM PDT by NYer

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To: daniel1212
...such things as Jesus reproving the Magisterium of His day...

LOL

ROFLMTO

141 posted on 07/02/2008 6:19:04 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: daniel1212
To claim authorship is, at least in America, unless you formally declare it “public domain.”

You're not a lawyer, are you?

142 posted on 07/02/2008 6:22:57 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: rabidralph

Do you suppose you could give us a good debate using intelligent sources or even just your own thoughts instead of a hit and run.

Did you read the article? It doesn’t sound like you did but I bet if you wanted to do a point by point defense of your position, I bet people would read it.


143 posted on 07/02/2008 7:22:44 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Petronski

“Copyright protection, unlike patent protection, is automatic. As soon as the work is fixed in a tangible form it is protected under copyright law. You do not have to place a copyright notice on a work for it to be protected; however, it is advisable to include a copyright notice, because it tells others to whom the work belongs.

The author of the work is automatically the owner of all copyrights in the work unless the work was created in conjunction with the author’s employment. If the work is employment related, the employer owns the work in accordance with the work-made-for-hire doctrine in U.S. Copyright Law. (Refer to UC and Employee-Owned Copyrights for information on ownership of copyrights at the University of California.).”

http://www.ucsc.edu/matman/BusCon/copyrightgeneral.htm

If a person claims a church wrote the Bible, then he is claiming they have a claim to copyright.


144 posted on 07/02/2008 7:26:43 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Give your sins and life to Him who died your us and rose again. Jesus is Lord.)
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To: daniel1212

“All told, the sad fact, which is testified to both doctrinally and empirically, is that there is seldom found salvation within Rome”

It sounds more like an impersonation of God, actually a usurpation of God’s power of judgement. It might make a great quip “I’m not God but I play Him on the internet.”


145 posted on 07/02/2008 7:28:33 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: rbmillerjr

I have numerous Cathechisms, and the works or Trent, V-1 and V-2 etc. And what i have posted is not shown to be based upon misunderstanding R.C. doctrine, either officially or what she effectually is shown to popularly convey, which is also representative of what she really believes (faith without works is dead).


146 posted on 07/02/2008 7:35:30 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Give your sins and life to Him who died your us and rose again. Jesus is Lord.)
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To: daniel1212
If a person claims a church wrote the Bible, then he is claiming they have a claim to copyright.

Again I ask, are you a lawyer?

147 posted on 07/02/2008 7:40:53 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

Rather than attacking the use of the term “sola ecclesia,” what you should be doing is demonstrating how that Rome. In essence, is not claiming she is the ultimate earthly authority, but is she logically subservient to that which she claims singular authority to defines and interpret.


148 posted on 07/02/2008 7:43:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Give your sins and life to Him who died your us and rose again. Jesus is Lord.)
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To: daniel1212
I have numerous Cathechisms...

Which?

149 posted on 07/02/2008 7:43:19 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: daniel1212

Rome is a city in Italy. I am not aware—or concerned—with what an Italian municipality claims.

Did you grow up speaking English? Are you an individual or a group of people posting under one account?


150 posted on 07/02/2008 7:45:07 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

Do you suppose that was a Freudian slip? Or an admission?


151 posted on 07/02/2008 7:47:31 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: tiki

In an odd way, it is both.


152 posted on 07/02/2008 7:53:41 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

“Again I ask, are you a lawyer?”

No (are you?), but i do do research. Now go prove that authorship of a written work is not normally considered the copyright holder, unless declared otherwise or not renewed.

Here is more

“In the past, works published without a copyright notice were considered to be in the public domain. This is no longer true. At the international forum on copyright known as the Berne Convention of 1978, it was decided that copyright protection would accrue automatically when a work was created and notices are no longer mandatory.”

Good news! The KJV Bible are public domain (in the US).


153 posted on 07/02/2008 7:58:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Give your sins and life to Him who died your us and rose again. Jesus is Lord.)
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To: annalex

You say lack of reading comprehension, I say error caused by trying to fit the Word of God to the beliefs that you already hold.


154 posted on 07/02/2008 8:05:39 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: daniel1212
...No (are you?)...

Thank you for answering the question. As to your return question, the answer is yes.

Now go prove that authorship of a written work is not normally considered the copyright holder, unless declared otherwise or not renewed.

That's not the question. You said there was a "copyright contention." You can prove you know what that is by quoting it, or you can retreat and fight another day.

155 posted on 07/02/2008 8:10:37 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: SeaHawkFan

“And all the Popes. CErtainly you are not going to claim all of them were infallible; are you? Not one of them is righteous or perfect”

Get back with me when you have a grasp on the Catholic meaning of infallibility. You would then realize who is infallible.


156 posted on 07/02/2008 8:11:36 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: daniel1212

“what i have posted is not shown to be based upon misunderstanding R.C. doctrine”

Your posts prove otherwise.

“either officially or what she effectually is shown to popularly convey”

The Cathechism explains the Catholic belief system. There is no 1,000 interpretations.

“which is also representative of what she really believes (faith without works is dead).”

You don’t understand the Catholic Church.


157 posted on 07/02/2008 8:12:16 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: daniel1212
Rather than attacking the use of the term “sola ecclesia,”

Wow.

I'm guessing your non-answer answer is an admission that sola ecclesia is not a Catholic term, but rather some kind of epithet.

P.S.: sola ecclesia does not drive me crazy. Quite to the contrary, it makes me laugh. At you.

158 posted on 07/02/2008 8:13:20 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: FatherofFive
Maybe not the gates of hell, but good Norman steel certainly prevailed against the Catholic Church when Pope Leo IX was taken captive after loosing the battle of Civitate. ;)
159 posted on 07/02/2008 8:16:48 PM PDT by allmendream (Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.)
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To: Petronski

I may have to go for that one, it says it has large print, I’ve noticed lately that reading my Bible has become more difficult due to the fact that I often can’t see the words.


160 posted on 07/02/2008 8:17:23 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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