Posted on 06/23/2008 6:10:37 PM PDT by Gamecock
it’s real simple.. Christ Founded the Catholic Church. You have declined to Follow the Catholic Church founded by Christ which has never been NEVER disowned by Christ! Catholics are held to a Higher level of Worship Thats a Fact!
Checkout the Catholic History and Civilization and it is a Little more into depth Than some 3-D Images, Checkout the Greatest art and Classical Music was all made for reverence to Christ and the Church! Education, Farming Technigues Acqueducts, Metalurgical Techniques... wine making... Even Dom Perignon was invented By Monks!!
Try Becoming a Catholic and Experience the Eucharist or spend 15 Minutes in front of the Monstrance and Blessed Sacrament..it will change your Life for the Better!
I used to believe that too. Then I read the bible. I had been so deceived! But I let myself be decieved by letting myself be spoonfed instead of learning the truth for myself, and it was ALWAYS there. I can’t blame anyone else.
I have "experienced" it. Please remind me of when Jesus talked about the "eucharist".
Yes. He is in heaven, alive and sitting at the right hand of the Father and there He will stay until He comes again. We can't force Him, or little pieces of His body, to come back down to earth, and why would we want or need to? He gives us all we need!
I never could understand this when I was growing up catholic. Why did the protestants not have Jesus on their crosses they wore around their necks? I get it now that I am a born-again Christian (AMEN! Love saying that!) He is risen! He is alive!!!! That's the whole point! Anyone can die.
Think of it this way: think of someone you loved dearly who has passed away - mother, dear friend, child, spouse. You remember their death always. You cry and mourn and even after the passing of time, on certain days you remember and mourn again and maybe visit the grave and cry.
What if suddenly you discovered they were alive! Alive! They were whole and warm and beautiful and came back to you and held you in their arms and loved you even more than before.
As you continued your life, would you cry and mourn over the fact that they died? NO! You would remember it with awe and depth of feelings but you would shout and laugh and delight and rejoice!
I know its not a perfect analogy because we must always, always remember how and why Jesus died. But the cross is empty now! I believe and He is as alive and real as the person in the next cubicle.
Keep your ashes. Give me palm fronds to wave!
The Last Supper, John Ch. 6, etc etc.
The interpretation of all the ancient Churches that can trace their ancestry back to the original Church, despite the schisms that separate them now—(Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental orthodox (Coptic), even the Assyrian Church of the East),— is that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist. Any thing else, like the reformed interpretation, is the invention of men like Zwingli who abandoned 1500 years of tradition and belief because they interpreted the Bible differently.
Because all of the ancient Churches believe this (indeed many of the apostolic fathers wrote about this in the early Church), I conclude that the proper way to celebrate communion is in the manner practiced by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
Eucharist means “thanksgiving”, btw..
no one forces anything. The Eucharist is a gift-—a pure gift. When you take it, He is in you and you are in Him.
Oh, come on. Can't you be more specific?
Jesus is in heaven. The Holy Spirit of God is in me and it had nothing to do with anything I wore or ate or held in my hands.
“The interpretation of all the ancient Churches that can trace their ancestry back to the original Church, despite the schisms that separate them now—(Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental orthodox (Coptic), even the Assyrian Church of the East),— is that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist”
That is not exactly true. One of the earliest writings of the church, the Didiche, treats it as a common meal and a memorial without any mention of the body anf blood of Jesus. In fact, the broken bread is likened to the scattered church.
Didiche 9:1 But as touching the eucharistic thanksgiving give ye thanks thus.
Didiche 9:2 First, as regards the cup: We give Thee thanks, O our Father, for the holy vine of Thy son David, which Thou madest known unto us through Thy Son Jesus; Thine is the glory for ever and ever.
Didiche 9:3 Then as regarding the broken bread: We give Thee thanks, O our Father, for the life and knowledge which Thou didst make known unto us through Thy Son Jesus; Thine is the glory for ever and ever.
Didiche 9:4 As this broken bread was scattered upon the mountains and being gathered together became one, so may Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever and ever.
Didiche 9:5 But let no one eat or drink of this eucharistic thanksgiving, but they that have been baptized into the name of the Lord; for concerning this also the Lord hath said: Give not that which is holy to the dogs.
Didiche 10:1 And after ye are satisfied thus give ye thanks.
Didiche 10:2 We give Thee thanks, Holy Father, for Thy holy name, which Thou hast made to tabernacle in our hearts, and for the knowledge and faith and immortality, which Thou hast made known unto us through Thy Son Jesus; Thine is the glory for ever and ever.
Didiche 10:3 Thou, Almighty Master, didst create all things for Thy name’s sake, and didst give food and drink unto men for enjoyment, that they might render thanks to Thee; but didst bestow upon us spiritual food and drink and eternal life through Thy Son.
That’s pretty cool. I like the analogy of the broken bread being the scattering of the church. God used the persecution of early believers to spread His word throughout the world.
OK, this is a real, true question. When I was a kid in Catholic school, I would ask this kind of question and get my behind blistered but I really didn't mean to be a smart@$$, I just wanted to understand. At what point is He no longer with you so that you must go back and get communion again? I know that you can receive communion no more than once a day. Is it just a sort of like a warm flush and then He's gone, or the second you sin, Blink!, he's gone.
And if He doesn't ever leave you, is it poor faith to go back and try to recieve Him again?
The didache also calls it a “sacrifice”, and one must confess their sins before recieving it. Also, it says that one must be baptized before taking the Eucharist. Why, if it was considered an ordinary meal, would they have these requirements?
for example: Didache ch. 9, refers to the wine being, not just wine, but also “the Vine of David.” Jesus, of course was in the lineage of King David as well as the “True Vine”. :
here is a translation:
9:1 But as touching the eucharistic thanksgiving give ye thanks thus.
9:2 First, as regards the cup:
9:3 We give Thee thanks, O our Father, for the holy vine of Thy son David, which Thou madest known unto us through Thy Son Jesus;
9:4 Thine is the glory for ever and ever.
9:5 Then as regards the broken bread:
9:6 We give Thee thanks, O our Father, for the life and knowledge which Thou didst make known unto us through Thy Son Jesus;
9:7 Thine is the glory for ever and ever.
also, ch. 14:
14:1 And on the Lord’s own day gather yourselves together and break bread and give thanks, first confessing your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure.
14:2 And let no man, having his dispute with his fellow, join your assembly until they have been reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be defiled;
14:3 for this sacrifice it is that was spoken of by the Lord;
14:4 {In every place and at every time offer Me a pure sacrifice;
14:5 for I am a great king, saith the Lord and My name is wonderful among the nations.}
you should offer up your body as a living sacrifice as often as you think nessecary.
WHAT???? What does that mean?? Really. Was it sarcasm? Why (and how) do you think I should do that and what good would it do?
It was a memorial meal of the Last Supper which was part of a common supper. Baptism just signified that they were members of the church.
“For this sacrifice it is that was spoken of by the Lord; “{In every place and at every time offer Me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great king, saith the Lord and My name is wonderful among the nations”
That is to be our attitude in all that we do, not just celebrating communion. Praise is a sacrifice. Prayer is a sacrifice, an incense well pleasing to God.
When he Said Eat My Body and Drink My Blood..
So I Believe God Founded the Catholic Church which he has never denounced..and the Bible which has been spiritually managed by the Catholic Church before the Man made Schisms.
In the Catholic Church sin is Putting yourself above GOD!
How Can You alone Know the correct way! If Jesus Founded the Catholic Church how can you do anything but follow him in his Church ! Of Catholics more is expected like Church every Sunday Confession Fasting..Baptism Confirmation and Most of all the Eucharist!
I know I am not alone.
No answer?
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