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The majority of what you reference is extra-Biblical fables which ultimately bring nothing good to the one who believes them.

The rosary possesses no "staying power." Its words are an affront to the Triune God who alone is deserving of our prayers.

65 posted on 06/18/2008 12:58:58 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“The majority of what you reference is extra-Biblical fables which ultimately bring nothing good to the one who believes them.

The rosary possesses no “staying power.” Its words are an affront to the Triune God who alone is deserving of our prayers.”

We pray the Rosary in honor of The Blessed Mother. It begins with The Apostles Creed. Take a random three words from the Creed, for example, the “communion of saints” which refers to the bond of unity among all believers, whether on earth, or in heaven, who are committed followers of Christ:

In Christ we are made part of God’s family (1 Tim 3:15), children of God (1 Jn. 3:1), joint heirs with Christ (Rom 8:17), and partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4). This communion of saints is known to Catholics as the Mystical Body of Christ. (1 Cor. 10:16; Gal 3:28; Eph 1:22-23, 4:4, 4:15-16, 5:21-32; and Col 1:18, 3:15.) Thus, we are joined in a supernatural union as members of Christ’s own body, and thus as members of one another. Each of us participates in the divine life of Christ Himself.

Consider the image of the vine and branches that Jesus talked about in Jn 15:1-5. Because we, as branches, are connected to Christ the vine, we are also connected to each other through Christ. It is the life and grace of Jesus that gives us life and unites us in our common pilgrimage to heaven.

St. Paul emphasizes this unity in Christ’s body in 1 Cor 12:12-27...
Quote:
[14] For the body does not consist of one member but of many.
[15] If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.
[16] And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.
[17] If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell?
[18] But as it is, God arranged the organs in the body, each one of them, as he chose.
[19] If all were a single organ, where would the body be?
[20] As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.
[21] The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.”
[22] On the contrary, the parts of the body which seem to be weaker are indispensable,
[23] and those parts of the body which we think less honorable we invest with the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty,
[24] which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving the greater honor to the inferior part,
[25] that there may be no discord in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
[26] If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.
[27] Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
...and in Rom 12:4-16.
Quote:
[4] For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function,
[5] so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another....
...[16] Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly; never be conceited.

These are the biblical reasons underpinning the communion of saints - the Mystical Body of Christ - that provide the reason why Catholics ask the members of the body to which we belong to act and intercede on our behalf. In short...

(1) All Christians are members of Christ’s body and one another (Rom 12:5, etc.)
(2) Jesus has only one body (Eph 4:4, Col 3:15
(3) Death cannot separate Christians from Christ or from one another (Rom 8:35-39); and
(4) Christians are bound in mutual love (Rom 12:10; Thess 5:11; Gal 6:2)

In that union of one body in Christ, that reaches from earth into heaven, we Catholics call for help and support from our older brothers and sisters who have already “won the race” just as in our human families we turn to our siblings for aid. It’s not a matter of thinking that the Father is not available, nor is it a matter of worshiping other than God. Indeed, it is a reaffirmation of the divine Christ that permits us to ask our brothers and sisters “in Christ” for their intercessions. Prayer to saints is a recognition of the unity of all Christians in the body of Christ - the one mediator - connected to and sharing in His divinity just as the branches are part of the vine.

The “communion of saints” refers to the bond of unity among all believers, whether on earth, or in heaven, who are committed followers of Christ. In Christ we are made part of God’s family (1 Tim 3:15), children of God (1 Jn. 3:1), joint heirs with Christ (Rom 8:17), and partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet 1:4). This communion of saints is known to Catholics as the Mystical Body of Christ. (1 Cor. 10:16; Gal 3:28; Eph 1:22-23, 4:4, 4:15-16, 5:21-32; and Col 1:18, 3:15.) Thus, we are joined in a supernatural union as members of Christ’s own body, and thus as members of one another. Each of us participates in the divine life of Christ Himself.

Do you continue to maintain that the “rosary possesses no “staying power”?

Please point to where I’ve referenced “extra-Biblical fables” in my previous posts in my Biblical references? And I’m assuming this one will fall into the same category so let’s include it as well - thanks - in anticipation.


77 posted on 06/18/2008 7:28:25 PM PDT by chase19
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“The majority of what you reference is extra-Biblical fables which ultimately bring nothing good to the one who believes them.”

It is the meditation on the mysteries that gives the rosary its staying power. The Joyful Mysteries are these: the Annunciation (Luke 1:26-38), the Visitation (Luke 1:40-56), the Nativity (Luke 2:6-20), the Presentation of Jesus in the Temple (Luke 2:21-39), and the Finding of the child Jesus in the Temple (Luke 2:41-51).

Then come the Sorrowful Mysteries: the Agony in the Garden (Matt. 26:36-46), the Scourging (Matt. 27:26), the Crowning with Thorns (Matt. 27:29), the Carrying of the Cross (John 19:17), and the Crucifixion (Luke 23:33-46).

The final Mysteries are the Glorious: the Resurrection (Luke 24:1-12), the Ascension (Luke 24:50-51), the Descent of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1-4), the Assumption of Mary into heaven (Rev. 12), and her Coronation (cf. Rev. 12:1).
http://www.catholic.com/library/Rosary.asp

Which ones are “extra-Biblical fables”? I also referenced the Bible on the first page of the thread so please enlighten me?


80 posted on 06/18/2008 7:44:08 PM PDT by chase19
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