Posted on 06/16/2008 10:12:34 AM PDT by NYer
Read it again. It talks of the believers and the non-believers.
The sheep are separated from the goats at the last judgment. Remember?
However, what precedes that is your own particular judgment at the moment of your death. That’s what this story was about.
Thank you for the ping! Yes, it is very interesting, and I do recall the explanation of the differences. :o)
When wise people speak I do listen.
Well, perhaps...but my forgiveness, unlike that of Jesus, has no bearing on one's place of eternal residence. =]
That’s how I feel about the “I’m saved I can do anything I want”.
There is a way not to be a doormat without being a jerk. Sometimes it’s a very fine line and I fall over it.
He could have but the Bible doesn’t say that he did and killing himself doesn’t lead one to believe that he did.
Nicely expressed. Wish I could keep myself on track better through such a perspective and its practice.
I am talking about at the moment of death. At that last instant he could have asked for forgiveness.
The point is that we don't know, Only God knows his heart.
It seems you were being rather hasty to condemn him.
You've proven 2 things here...One is that everyone can read scripture if they want to...And the other is just because you can read scripture, it doesn't mean you have a clue what it says...
So according to your interpretation of the scripture, you are already saved, you are being saved (the scripture you posted for that one doesn't fit), and you hope you will be saved...PLUS, you must work for your salvation and you may lose it after you get it...And that makes sense to you??? What a confusing mess you got there...
It's like that nursery rhyme; Little Jack Horner sat in a corner driving a candy cane...He knew there'd be trouble when he saw his double, cause they weren't taking the same train...Now that makes as much sense as your salvation theory...
Paul got saved... It's a done deal...He in Jesus Christ and Jesus is in him...He's a new creation...
Paul is also saved for Heaven...He's got a spot there...Done deal...He's not there yet, but he knows he's on his way...He's looking toward that blessed Hope...And when you look up the meaning of 'hope', you'll see it means confidence...
And Paul will be saved from that 'wrath to come'...It's not here yet, but Paul will miss it...
Remember, God is not the author of confusion...
What is the will of the Father???
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
What is the will of the Father???
To follow the teachings of Christ.
It means actively living the word.
Declaring that you believe is insufficient, as is made clear in Matt 7: 21-27. You must also live and act consistant with those professed beliefs. If you do not, Christ will rebuke you.
Yes ... because he endured to the end (Matt 24:13 ).
>> God asked for love, not sacrifice. <<
Not exactly how St. Paul put it:
“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.”
That’s the only time the word “sacrifice” is used in the KJV of Romans.
God demands for sacrifice alright. He demands we sacrifice our lives, not just some animal carcass. He asks we put to death all of our own desires, and allow ourselves to be his instruments of love. “The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.”
This is quote a powerful demand: “If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me... he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.”
Pardon me, I looked at the wrong reading try Matthew 9 verse 13.
That’s all good stuff. I’ve had it put to me that sometimes when we do “sacrifice” we are expecting a return on it and we think we are earning something.
Of course everyone know you cannot earn salvation it is a gift from God.
Very interesting piece, thanks.
What is the will of the Father???
Endured to the end of what???
I DID answer your question.
The will of the Father is “To follow the teachings of Christ.”
Yes, yes, yes! Iscool, I'm so happy to see you say that.
We Catholics don't assume that each believer is individually competent to properly understand Scripture, or entitled to a personal interpretation.
Glad to see that you agree.
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