Posted on 06/16/2008 10:12:34 AM PDT by NYer
Endured to the end of his life.
Good job Smittie.
Ah...so then he realized his own salvation.
Who needs Christ when you can save yourself according to the Old Covenant. And he did it all on his OWN power. Hmmm...
The bodies of the dead Christians and those still living will have been taken up a long time before during the rapture and living in the Holy City.
Thanks!
Why are you taking bows, when you have not addressed my questions in posts 77, 91, and 99?
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’ Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
Yes, I thought that is what you were trying to quote.
Interesting reference, but I think it is important to get it right. God desires mercy (not love) instead of sacrifice. Jesus is quoting the prophet Hosea, a lively story about a man who refuses to treat his adulterous wife as she deserved. Just as God has mercy on his adulterous wife and her unfaithful children. This is what happens when you refuse to let your heart turn to stone.
I think you probably wanted this one to illustrate what you found pleasing in the article:
“I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.”
I encourage everyone who professes to believe in what the Bible says to actually know what it says.
Bless you.
When you actually follow Jesus, and heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons. When you forgive as you have been forgiven. When you give as freely as has been given you.
Look, read the whole thing:
"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."
First, this is not optional - it is a command. But this is a description of power being given, not weakness being taken. I have heard someone describe this using a scene from the Rocky movie where the Russian was beating the snot out of our hero (I haven't seen this so bear with me). At one point, someone who loved Rocky says "What is he doing?" meaning, "Why is he staying in there?" The reply - "He's winning." And the Russian's response? "He's not human."
When we are struck by an evil person, and we turn to them again (and again) and let them strike us without defeating us, we defeat them. We witness to them and to the world, "We are stronger, and our strength is in Christ." And when we refuse to "resist" them (I think a better translation is "do not engage them in a contest"), we tell them that even if they have their way, they cannot triumph over the victory that has already been won.
When we truly love God and follow Jesus, we know that we have unlimited strength. Start living that way! When we truly love God and follow Jesus, we know we have unlimited treasure. Start giving that way?
My humble thoughts. Forgive me.
Blessed are the meek.
These verses don’t answer the question why we should be assured of our salvation if Paul wasn’t.
First, you need to answer the question, “Why was Paul worried about his salvation?” After all, he not only saw Christ, he saw heaven, too. His was the original out-of-body-experience. Yet contrary to these verses which you employ out of context, they are contradicted by Paul’s own words, which are also the words of the Holy Spirit.
Confessing that Jesus is Lord is only part of the equation. Jesus EXPLICITLY stated that even those who cried to Him, “Lord, Lord...” were not guaranteed a place at the banquet. So are you calling Jesus a liar?
Blatantly trumpeting certain verses of Scripture while conveniently ignoring others is dangerous because it’s the equivalent of shoving a square peg into a round hole and insisting it fits.
I think we discovered that the quote was Jesus’ of Hosea.
Paul, a Pharisee, writing to Romans, emphasized what would make sense to them - sacrifice. But Jesus wants us to remember that God clearly desires mercy in lieu of sacrifice.
John came sacrificing a whole lot, and they said he had a demon. Jesus came and they confused Him with a glutton and a drunkard.
Jesus said that His yoke was easy (2 commands instead of 600 odd) and that His burden was light. He told John he could eat whatever he wanted.
Wear a hairshirt if it makes you happy, but I follow Jesus, who made awesome wine, was the hit of many a party, enjoyed a good foot bath, and told us to remember Him by having a great meal.
Yeah, but all they get is the earth.
Easy, brother/ sister:
And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
Pretty sure Jesus took offense and attacked those selling sacrifices in the temple courts.
Careful, also, not to mind-read, or assign emotions to internet posts. One can be gentle AND firm.
The sacrifice is of one’s own desires. Mercy, as opposed to vengence, is a sacrifice.
>> He told John he could eat whatever he wanted. <<
Not exactly. Jesus certainly fasted. And he said that the time for feasting was now, since they had the savior amongst them, but there would be a time for fasting. But the whole point is that what we do what we do out of love, not legalism. Love is often festive, but it very often doing for others rather than ourselves.
>> and told us to remember Him by having a great meal. <<
Haha! You’ve never been to a seder, have you?!
Seriously, what he said was “This is my body, take and eat... This is my blood, take and drink... Do this is remembrance of me.” Not exactly the same thing as “Chow down, dude!”
The sacrifice is of one’s own desires. Mercy, as opposed to vengence, is a sacrifice.
>>>Kinda like saying pulling the thorn out of your side is a sacrifice. Like saying “follow me” to your child who doesn’t know the way asks for your child to “sacrifice” his “right” to fall off a cliff. I really enjoy treating people better than they deserve a whole lot more than I enjoy punishing them. But that may just be me.<<<
>> He told John he could eat whatever he wanted. <<
Not exactly.
>>>Peter, John, what’s the difference. One of those guys.<<<
Jesus certainly fasted.
>>>Sometimes that’s the only way to cast out demons. But I am not sure it is very good for much else.<<<
And he said that the time for feasting was now, since they had the savior amongst them, but there would be a time for fasting.
>>>Yeah, and kinda ironic that it was John’s disciples asking the question. Hmmm, I wonder why? Anyway, He certainly wanted his disciples to keep it to themselves. And why should I mourn if the bridegroom sends me a comforter? I am pretty sure that’s how Paul had joy despite his chains.<<<
But the whole point is that what we do what we do out of love, not legalism. Love is often festive, but it very often doing for others rather than ourselves.
>>>I would argue that only in loving others do we truly love ourselves. Isn’t that how we are supposed to?<<<
>> and told us to remember Him by having a great meal. <<
Haha! You’ve never been to a seder, have you?!
>>Actually, more than once. Notwithstanding the bitter herbs and flatbread, they still called Jesus a glutton, and thought his followers were drunk at 9:00 in the morning. That oughta be a clue as to how much they “sacrificed.”<<<
Seriously, what he said was “This is my body, take and eat... This is my blood, take and drink... Do this is remembrance of me.” Not exactly the same thing as “Chow down, dude!”
>>>But those that knew Him had to be restrained from enjoying it to the exclusion of their poorer brothers and sisters. Not exactly, I grant you, but I do think creation is good and was meant to be enjoyed in fellowship with all the saints.<<<
That all sounds to me like I should just sell my guns and tear up my concealed-carry permits. Why bother defending myself or my wife or my child? I’m empowered by letting anyone do anything they want to me.
I’m not trying to be caustic, don’t misunderstand, but it strikes me (and always has) as being highly irrational. And Christ was not irrational.
Matthew 7:21-27 is a fine example of how it’s impossible to obtain Heaven by your works. Those he was speaking of weren’t doing these acts for the glory of God but for themselves.
There are lots of people who fall into this boat.
You are twisted Smittie!
You pretend that their actions are of no consequence in their access to heaven, but their actions are sufficient for damnation!?!?!?
We’ll take this line by line:
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”
Clearly these people believed and accepted Christ as their Savior. Christ’s condemnation addresses their “evildoing”!!!
(That would be their “works”!)
“...who does the will of my Father...”
“does” is an active verb, and Christ is speaking about their actions, in all aspects of their life.
‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
You judge that these actions were insincere, and for their own glory, when there is no substantiation for that correlation.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’ Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
If you would truly like to understand the error in you persistance, try the following:
John 3:5
Titus 3:5
Eph 4:23
I Cor 9:27 & 10:12
Hebrews 10:26
Philippians 2:12
2 Cor 5:10
Rom 2:6, 5:12, 8:24, 11:22
Col 2:23
2 Macabees 12:44-46 (not in KJV)
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